Sadhguru on Dr k

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Elliott said:

This isn't pedantic?

I added this after my comment but erased it: "Or is this level of pedantry not allowed when it is directed against you?" Why did I erase it? Maybe because this entire discussion is steeped in pedantry, calling it out means the discussion ends.

Had you come to this discussion only with facts you already knew about and didn't just dig up for this occasion (and by the way, the study I cited I already knew about), and had you not made the bulk of your arguments about minute details in literal quotes, and when running into the limits of your knowledge you had said "I don't know, look it up if you're curious" (which I did multiple times until I myself decided to engage in the data mining and pedantry; because the frame you're imposing is "if you can't find the data for me, I win"), we could've had a substantive discussion. This is just a shitfest.

 

3 minutes ago, Elliott said:

We misunderstood eachother. When you posted that study, I thought you were saying it indicated enlightenment. I admitted Sadhgurus work helps people, I even said I like his teachings.

70% increase in endocannabinoids indicates enlightenment? Excuse me?

[Elliott]

4 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

I added this after my comment but erased it: "Or is this level of pedantry not allowed when it is directed against you?" Why did I erase it? Maybe because this entire discussion is steeped in pedantry, calling it out means the discussion ends.

Had you come to this discussion only with facts you already knew about and didn't just dig up for this occasion (and by the way, the study I cited I already knew about), and had you not made the bulk of your arguments about minute details in literal quotes, and when running into the limits of your knowledge you had said "I don't know, look it up if you're curious" (which I did multiple times until I myself decided to engage in the data mining and pedantry; because the frame you're imposing is "if you can't find the data for me, I win"), we could've had a substantive discussion. This is just a shitfest.

70% increase in endocannabinoids indicates enlightenment? Excuse me?

I was asking sincerely.

I didn't even post any facts let alone "dig them up".

Bro, you think you're a mind reader, you're a poor communicator, ask clarifying questions instead of assuming and just attacking.

Edited Wednesday at 02:18 AM by Elliott

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Elliott said:

I was asking sincerely.

Tu quoque fallacy, or "appeal to hypocrisy", You're the one that complained about my supposed pedantry(which it wasn't).... You did this with trying to make me find a Spira disciple too. Pathetic.

And to bring up "fallacies" as if they're making a point is just additional red herrings to get lost down, just like the first one you brought up (false dilemma fallacy).

 

3 hours ago, Elliott said:

I didn't even post any facts let alone "dig them up".

You didn't post statements about the cost of books, courses? (I also asked you where you got the 3500 dollar number from, maybe you didn't see it because I edited the comment, but you didn't answer that, backing up your factual claims).

 

3 hours ago, Elliott said:

Bro, you think you're a mind reader, you're a poor communicator, ask clarifying questions instead of assuming and just attacking.

I gotta admit it's hard to read minds that change their mind every other comment.

 

3 hours ago, Elliott said:

It's a shitfest because you're full of nothing but shit, you've lied this entire conversation. You weren't "having a discussion" you were throwing fallacy after fallacy at the wall, all while knowing you were just strawmanning my position. You kept and kept ignoring me when I told you that wasn't what I said, I thought we just weren't understanding eachother, fuck you liar.

There is a possibility I've at some point inaccurately portrayed one or two statements or arguments you've made, but again, it's hard when you're waffling around vague statements that you build on top of with endless ad hoc arguments and quotes pulled from the depths of the internet that must be interpreted with millimeter precision for your initially vague arguments again to be supposedly validated.

Again, it's much simpler to just say "here's my position, here is my knowledge, here are my facts", and when you run out of knowledge and facts, you say "I don't know" instead of "actually, I meant this, and here are four new quotes for you to read where every word, despite me not knowing about any of them before right now when I searched them up on ChatGPT, is of UTMOST importance".

Edited Wednesday at 02:06 AM by Carl-Richard

[Elliott]

17 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

And to bring up "fallacies" as if they're making a point is just additional red herrings to get lost down, just like the first one you brought up (false dilemma fallacy).

 

You didn't post statements about the cost of books, courses? (I also asked you where you got the 3500 dollar number from, maybe you didn't see it because I edited the comment, but you didn't answer that, backing up your factual claims).

 

I gotta admit it's hard to read minds that change their mind every other comment.

 

There is a possibility I've at some point inaccurately portrayed one or two statements or arguments you've made, but again, it's hard when you're waffling around vague statements that you build on top of with endless ad hoc arguments and quotes pulled from the depths of the internet that must be interpreted with millimeter precision for your initially vague arguments again to be supposedly validated.

Again, it's much simpler to just say "here's my position, here is my knowledge, here are my facts", and when you run out of knowledge and facts, you say "I don't know" instead of "actually, I meant this, and here are four new quotes for you to read where every word, despite me not knowing about any of them before right now when I searched them up on ChatGPT, is of UTMOST importance".

You shouldn't try to read minds at all. I don't know what to tell you, I thought I gave simple explanations, and I only gave examples("facts") when you asked for them. Didn't use chatgpt, it's like we read two different conversations. Sorry for being mean, sincerely, you didn't deserve that.

Edited Wednesday at 02:21 AM by Elliott

[Carl-Richard]

8 minutes ago, Elliott said:

You shouldn't try to read minds at all. I don't know what to tell you, I thought I gave simple explanations, and I only gave examples("facts") when you asked for them. Didn't use chatgpt, it's like we read two different conversations. Sorry for being mean.

I should've read my own mind better that I could see this coming from our politics conversation. If you can give me an advice of not reading minds, I can give you an advice of not arguing for something you didn't have a strong position on anyway. Virtually nothing good ever comes from it.

Edited Wednesday at 02:25 AM by Carl-Richard

[Elliott]

25 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I should've read my own mind better that I could see this coming from our politics conversation. If you can give me an advice of not reading minds, I can give you an advice of not arguing for something you didn't have a strong position on anyway. Virtually nothing good comes from it.

I appreciate any advice, you know more about certain things than I do. I wasn't trying to argue, I don't like arguments, i was trying to have a conversation. I still feel like I have the strong position on this though, lol, always did, still don't see how you disagree.

Edited Wednesday at 02:49 AM by Elliott

[Carl-Richard]

11 minutes ago, Elliott said:

I still feel like I have the strong position on this though, lol, always did, still don't see how you disagree.

Are you going to deconstruct this quote for me too?:

15 hours ago, Elliott said:

I wasn't seeking a discussion about this let alone a substantive one, I just gave my two sentence crude opinion, to no one in particular. I never expected that you would be so serious about this. This is not a topic I have much care about.

 

Edited Wednesday at 02:38 AM by Carl-Richard

[Elliott]

16 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

 

Are you going to deconstruct this quote for me too?:

 

I have no ill will toward you, but I'm probably just not going to talk to you, it's like we're from two different planets.

Edited Wednesday at 02:53 AM by Elliott

[Monke]

@Leo Gura There have been some pretty serious allegations against him and the Isha foundation. I have no idea how valid they are but it's quite the rabbit hole actually. 

[Carl-Richard]

13 hours ago, Elliott said:

I have no ill will toward you, but I'm probably just not going to talk to you, it's like we're from two different planets.

Wait, did you say "the strong position" when I said "a strong position"? I didn't read that correctly until now. But yeah, if you read me say "something you didn't have a strong position on" and you interpret it as "not having the strong position", maybe we are on different planets indeed.

Edited Wednesday at 04:36 PM by Carl-Richard

[SamC]

On 2025-10-10 at 2:25 AM, Carl-Richard said:

@everyone, I'm curious, who here feels energy when watching/listening to Sadhguru?

I use Sadhguru and his videos all the time. Listening to Sadhguru and music related to Isha raises my concioussness. 

I've felt energies from him and his consecrated yantras that Isha sells during psychedelic trips and connected to them and Sadhgurus energy many many times when I am sober aswell.

He is legit.

@Carl-Richard 

 

Edited Wednesday at 09:30 AM by SamC

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, SamC said:

I use Sadhguru and his videos all the time. Listening to Sadhguru and music related to Isha raises my concioussness. 

I've felt energies from him and his consecrated yantras that Isha sells during psychedelic trips and connected to them and Sadhgurus energy many many times when I am sober aswell.

He is legit.

@Carl-Richard 

 

Do you know who Rupert Spira is, at all? If so, Do you think Spira's and Sadhguru's retreats would be very different?(aside from no yoga), in regard to 'raising consciousness'.

Edited Wednesday at 10:49 AM by Elliott

[SamC]

40 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Do you know who Rupert Spira is, at all? If so, Do you think Spira's and Sadhguru's retreats would be very different?(aside from no yoga), in regard to 'raising consciosness'.

I haven't been to any Spira retreat personally but if one goes there and experience that it raises their concioussness, then it raises their concioussness and it's not a difference in that sense. Concioussness doesn't discriminate - there are many paths.

It's hard to say what is more powerful though and that can only be discovered by direct experience. For me Sadhguru's teachings is the highest but he is not the only highest path. It's very much possible Spira also can lead people to enlightment and blissfull states.

I have had peak experiences similar to Ayahuasca during an intiation done by Sadhguru and states higher than extsascy after doing his practices.

It's possible Spira can lead you to those states aswell but since I haven't experienced it, I don't know.

 

@Elliott

 

Edited Wednesday at 11:27 AM by SamC

[Elliott]

36 minutes ago, SamC said:

I haven't been to any Spira retreat personally but if one goes there and experience that it raises their concioussness, then it raises their concioussness and it's not a difference in that sense. Concioussness doesn't discriminate - there are many paths.

It's hard to say what is more powerful though and that can only be discovered by direct experience. For me Sadhguru's teachings is the highest but he is not the only highest path. It's very much possible Spira also can lead people to enlightment and blissfull states.

I have had peak experiences similar to Ayahuasca during an intiation done by Sadhguru and states higher than extsascy after doing his practices.

It's possible Spira can lead you to those states aswell but since I haven't experienced it, I don't know.

 

@Elliott

 

Knowing only what you know right now, would you pay $3,500(33,000 Swedish Krona) for an advanced Sadhguru retreat, if that was within your personal budget? Would you buy a $3,500 Spira retreat, if it would also be within your budget?

Edited Wednesday at 12:03 PM by Elliott

[SamC]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

Knowing only what you know right now, would you pay $3,500(33,000 Swedish Krona) for an advanced Sadhguru retreat, if that was within your personal budget? Would you buy a $3,500 Spira retreat, if it would also be within your budget?

Sadhguru Yes,  Spira No

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, SamC said:

Sadhguru Yes,  Spira No

Do you believe that Sadhguru and Spira, if they were allowed to be completely honest and not concerned about optics, would claim that they are able to enlighten people through their work?

Edited Wednesday at 04:46 PM by Carl-Richard

[SamC]

12 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Do you believe that Sadhguru and Spira, if they were allowed to be completely honest and not concerned about optics, would claim that they are able to enlighten people through their work?

Sadhguru already claims that. I don't know if Spira would claim that. It feels like Spira is more " realize that there is only One and there exists no master but yourself" and Sadhguru is more like " I am the path, become me and you will be everything.

They have different styles but in the end it's all concioussness and different paths work for different people.

@Carl-Richard

Edited Thursday at 05:25 AM by SamC

[Carl-Richard]

14 hours ago, SamC said:

Sadhguru already claims that. I don't know if Spira would claim that. It feels like Spira is more " realize that there is only One and there exists no master but yourself" and Sadhguru is more like " I am the path, become me and you will be everything.

They have different styles but in the end it's all concioussness and different paths work for different people.

@Carl-Richard

But wouldn't Spira claim that embodying this teaching (that he happens to be teaching) leads to enlightenment? See how the framing ultimately is indeed about style and not substance?

The flip into the absolute of "there is just the One, there is no teacher or student" is probably mainly a tool for pointing to the truth, maybe also an optics tool. But the substance is that he is a teacher and he is teaching enlightenment, he believes his teachings work, and therefore he would honestly have to answer "yes, I do believe I can enlighten people".

But maybe @Elliott would say "optics matter, it decides how you pull people in and sets their expectations". That is definitely the case, but how much is it the case? If you're already paying 4000$ for a retreat, are you not already sold?

And what if the optics of "I'm so enlightened that there isn't even a distinction between teacher and student", what if that is more alluring than the alternative? It's the case in music, humor, sex, that it's often that which is denied or left unsaid, or the gaps inbetween, or the play of subtlety, that causes the most excitement. And for spirituality, maybe particularly so.

Edited Thursday at 07:29 PM by Carl-Richard

[Elliott]

 

 

Edited Thursday at 01:03 PM by Elliott

[Willie]

On 10/9/2025 at 1:53 PM, Leo Gura said:

I don't know why you guys keep hating on Sadhguru. He says correct things.

Probably bad optics and vibes.