Sadhguru on Dr k

[Carl-Richard]

8 minutes ago, Elliott said:

He sells stuff, but not enlightenment.

..wha?

Edited Saturday at 03:17 AM by Carl-Richard

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

..wha?

He sells guided meditations and books, but he doesn't hide his 'enlightenment sauce' behind a paywall.

[Jodistrict]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

My point still stands.

You have to build solid foundation before you swing from the highest treetops - or you will topple and fall from rotton roots.

False meaning is derived from truths learned too soon, so some of those guardrails exist to avoid that.

I agree.  I am just saying that all information that use to be secret is now out there.   There was a wisdom to keeping it secret.  One can see how non duality has turned into a dogma with people flippantly saying they are god.  

[Salvijus]

9 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Salvijus If you haven't manifested anything with energy and haven't manifested anything without energy then its totally relevant. Because it means you are talking out your ass. That means a fart has more value than this input. You are farting at me.

It's irrelevant because it's not about me. It's about whether or not sadhguru's teachings contradict with the Law of exchange which is a universally accepted truth across all spiritual traditions and visible by science itself. And you claimed that he did. But failed to defend that position. And now you're trying to move the goalpost. 

Edited Saturday at 06:39 AM by Salvijus

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, Elliott said:

He sells guided meditations and books, but he doesn't hide his 'enlightenment sauce' behind a paywall.

He sells retreats and events just like Isha does with the Inner Engineering retreats, he sells guided meditations and books, yes, and he also sells tickets to online webinars and livestreams, he has a subscription for a video archive for £16/month or £160/year and individual buying options (£7.20 per audio, £10.80 per video), but selling online courses is suddenly what pushes you into "conman" territory? Why?

There is so much free content out there of Sadhguru giving talks, interviews, Satsangs, group meditations, free events like Mahashivrati, but him providing some paid online courses (given you're not living in the slums), that's stepping over the line, that's him paywalling his enlightenment sauce. Mhm.

[Ishanga]

10 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Ishanga Only he can manipulate people in his ashram. I know everything about sadhguru cause I was manipulated. I awaken without sadhguru and needed help and all he did was shove random bs in my brain. Leo helps. Sahdguru says random bs and confused me.

I didnt choose sadhguru it showed up in my feed and I listened to him and he is talking about stuff that I experienced.

He contradicts himself so much. He said he went to the un meeting to save the soil and no one cared. Why not make them care? He says he has the power to.

There are plenty of people that say the earth can't be saved and don't try to save it. That its a construct literally meant to fuck with you.

This interview threw me off this is not someone who is present and respectable to everyone. It reminds of the time destiny debated that one old teacher who just sat there and lectured him.

I've heard like 50 stories where people said his ashram sucked.

There is the saying if you meet a guru on the road kill him. Thats what sadhguru is a guru on the road. Looking for people to worship him. Sadhguru is the only guru on the road.

Incorrect, he is not looking for ppl to worship him, you actually think a person like him, with his intelligence and charisma is just look for ppl to bow down to him and that this turns him on after 30yrs of doing this? Come on Man, your just a disgruntled user and it shows, your main thing in life is this forum it seems which is super sad!

There's video of him saying he doesn't care on a personal level what happens, he is just doing what needs to be done, while here with a body and mind to use.

As well thousdands upon thousands of ppl visit his ashram in India daily, out of all that for sure there will be some that do not like it, that is just the way it is, to list it here and say "See he is a fraud" is nuts, its just bound to happen...

What's happening here, with all the naysayers of Sadhguru just shows the crazy the is in in this world, the man is working himself to death to improve the situation here and ppl put him down for it, its just crazy, and its getting worse by the day...

Edited Saturday at 10:26 AM by Ishanga

[Elliott]

29 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

He sells retreats and events just like Isha does with the Inner Engineering retreats, he sells guided meditations and books, yes, and he also sells tickets to online webinars and livestreams, he has a subscription for a video archive for £16/month or £160/year and individual buying options (£7.20 per audio, £10.80 per video), but selling online courses is suddenly what pushes you into "conman" territory? Why?

There is so much free content out there of Sadhguru giving talks, interviews, Satsangs, group meditations, free events like Mahashivrati, but him providing some paid online courses (given you're not living in the slums), that's stepping over the line, that's him paywalling his enlightenment sauce. Mhm.

No

Do you disagree with the Sadhguru supporters in this thread that repeatedly say Sadhgurus free public teachings lack depth?

You seem to just keep looking past what I say my reservation is with Sadhguru. Spira puts his enlightenment teachings out up front for free, Sadhguru hides his supposed deep teachings behind a paywall: you don't see a difference between Spira and Sadhguru in this regard?

I have no problem with spiritual teachers making money. I have no problem with Isha charging for yoga. I feel like you're assuming I mean something that I don't, I actually don't see any Sadhguru haters in this thread opposing what your argument centers on.

Edited Saturday at 10:50 AM by Elliott

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

No

Do you disagree with the Sadhguru fans in this thread that repeatedly say Sadhgurus free public teachings lack depth?

You seem to just keep looking past what I say my reservation is with Sadhguru. Spira puts his enlightenment teachings out up front for free, Sadhguru hides his supposed enlightenment teachings behind a paywall: you don't see a difference between Spira and Sadhguru in this regard?

I have no problem with spiritual teachers making money.

He hides it because those methods (not teachings) can be harmful to those using it without proper guidance, he give out basic stuff, non enlightenment stuff for free and a little fee (reasons for this shared before) because they help with maintaining and healthy lifestyle and Peaceful/Blissful experience, this is not enlightenment, Enlightenment means Your done for as an Individual..

My advice to You is to ignore Sadhguru, You have a blind spot concerning him for sure, just ignore him and move on...

[Elliott]

9 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

He hides it because those methods (not teachings) can be harmful to those using it without proper guidance, he give out basic stuff, non enlightenment stuff for free and a little fee (reasons for this shared before) because they help with maintaining and healthy lifestyle and Peaceful/Blissful experience, this is not enlightenment, Enlightenment means Your done for as an Individual..

That's great, and if you show me an example of an enlightened person from his course I will apologize, Sadhguru claims he is enlightened.

Quote

My advice to You is to ignore Sadhguru, You have a blind spot concerning him for sure, just ignore him and move on...

I actually like his public teachings, but since I've learned more about him personally I can barely stand him or listening to him.

Edited Saturday at 10:39 AM by Elliott

[Ishanga]

12 minutes ago, Elliott said:

That's great, and if you show me an example of an enlightened person from his course I will apologize, Sadhguru claims he is enlightened.

I actually like his public teachings, but since I've learned more about him personally I can barely stand him or listening to him.

Like I said he does not personally claim enlightenment, only that he knows the origin to the ultimate for a Human Being,, and he doesn't claim to make one enlightened or that is what he wants for ppl that do his methods or join his ashrams, he says he needs ppl to stay here on this earth to make it better, as the moment of Enlightenment and the moment of physical death is at the same moment, he only claims to allow You to have your Free Will back...

 

[Elliott]

3 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Like I said he does not personally claim enlightenment, only that he knows the origin to the ultimate for a Human Being,, and he doesn't claim to make one enlightened or that is what he wants for ppl that do his methods or join his ashrams, he says he needs ppl to stay here on this earth to make it better, as the moment of Enlightenment and the moment of physical death is at the same moment, he only claims to allow You to have your Free Will back...

 

"Isha Foundation

"Sadhguru's Enlightenment in His Own Words"

https://isha.sadhguru.org/en/wisdom/article/sadhguru-enlightenment-experience

"It is my wish and my blessing this must happen to you. Whether you climb Mount Everest or not, whether you become the richest man on this planet or not, your experience of life on this planet should be pleasant. You must live blissfully and go. This much should happen to every human being. Everyone deserves it and everyone is capable of it."

"But for the first time I did not know what is me and what is not me. What was me was spread all over the place. I thought this madness lasted for 5 to 10 minutes but when I came back to my normal way of being, four-and-a-half hours had passed. I was sitting right there, fully conscious, eyes open. I sat there at around 3:00 in the afternoon. It was 7:30 in the evening when I came out of it. For the first time in my adult life, tears were flowing to a point where my shirt was completely wet. I was someone who had never allowed a single teardrop to come out of my eyes. But now suddenly, tears were flowing to a point where my shirt became wet."

 

 

Edited Saturday at 01:59 PM by Elliott

[UnbornTao]

22 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

@Socrates You actually know a thing or two, liar.

@Socrates That was a joke, by the way (since you're Socrates.) Should have added an emoticon. 

[Hojo]

@Salvijus

he says you can manifest whatever you want. Without doing anything. Besides thinking and feeling it.

Edited Saturday at 03:50 PM by Hojo

[Salvijus]

3 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Salvijus

he says you can manifest whatever you want. Without doing anything. Besides thinking and feeling it.

He's saying that the intensity of your thought will determine if it will become a reality (11:20). And he says what blocks the flow of creative energy are ego based doubts and calculations whereas in a state of faith that egoic influence is not there therefore the energy can flow freely (9:30). However The Law of giving and receiving still plays a very important role here. Sadhguru hints at it by saying at 15:17 that if your want your body, mind, emotion and energy align itself to the source energy where all creative energy comes from, then realize that pleasentness within and all around you is what you most wish to see. It basically means that to align yourself with what you truly want is no different than becoming a servent to the Whole. And that desire to be of service to the Whole unavoidably puts you in a process of giving and receiving. And in fact it's only when you're willing to give everything away that you lose all ego, and it is then that the flow of receiving becomes infinite thus giving you the power to create like God creates. 

Edited Saturday at 07:03 PM by Salvijus

[Hojo]

@Salvijus He says that joy /pleasentness equates to doing what you want. It has nothing to do with other people spirituality has nothing to do with other people. He said nothing about giving or receiving or giving everything away. These are all added by you.

The story he tells has 0 other people in it and the man in the story is manifesting what he wishes by wishing for it. He didn't exchange anything to receive food or be murdered by ghosts.

Hes saying you are brainwashed/traumatized  into staggering your thought and just keep a straight path on what you want and it will happen. It dosent matter what you do or give you can sit there and it will happen.

Hes saying brainwash yourself back into thinking this is what you want and you will gain the reigns of God back. Right now we are thinking we are not in control of everything in order to become God you must assume all control back by acting like you are creating reality. When you act like it you get it back.

If you align back then reality becomes your servant.

0 laws of energy exchange in this story. Moving around helps as you can say im doing this thing for this thing but its not required at all.

Edited Saturday at 07:23 PM by Hojo

[Salvijus]

7 minutes ago, Hojo said:

He says that joy /pleasentness equates to doing what you want.

And that what you truly want if observed carefully, is pleasentness within you and around you (13:35). That second part is a clever way of saying to be of service to the Whole. 

Edited Saturday at 07:26 PM by Salvijus

[Hojo]

@Salvijus you are the pleasentness around you.

[Salvijus]

12 minutes ago, Hojo said:

He said nothing about giving or receiving or giving everything away. These are all added by you.

It requires extrapolation to make a connection between these ideas. These ideas of being a god like creator, being egoless (or being in faith in sadhguru's words) and the law of giving and receiving are inseparable. Sadhguru hints at all of them in the video. But it requires careful attention to connect the dots. It's a complicated topic. I've tried my best in explaining how it is all connected in the post above. That was the best I could do. If it didn't land then I give up and we will just have to agree to disagree. 

Take care 🙏

Edited Saturday at 07:30 PM by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Salvijus you are the pleasentness around you.

No disagreements there. 

[Hojo]

So many hints. A hint can be anything. If you want to beleive that you can . I can just as easily see the direct video and say there are no hints. You are making something complicated thats not because someone told you a rule that you beleive. To be fact of life. He said in another video your entire life is a sacrifice. You just say my exchange is me having to live here. One more question. When he said at the beggining of the video that you can manifest anything by just sitting there was he lying?

43 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

It requires extrapolation to make a connection between these ideas. These ideas of being a god like creator, being egoless (or being in faith in sadhguru's words) and the law of giving and receiving are inseparable. Sadhguru hints at all of them in the video. But it requires careful attention to connect the dots. It's a complicated topic. I've tried my best in explaining how it is all connected in the post above. That was the best I could do. If it didn't land then I give up and we will just have to agree to disagree. 

Take care 🙏

 

Edited Saturday at 08:13 PM by Hojo