Sadhguru on Dr k

[Hojo]

@Ishanga i have a magical tree house that anyone who enters becomes enlightened. I sleep 1 hour a night and eat only rotten cabbage. Since I puke it up I don't defecate. My right index finger gets slightly warmer than me left index finger because I have spiritual energy.

I almost died creating my magical tree house when I dropped the nail gun on the ground and a nail shot out and hit me in the ear.

These are my magical powers.

If you dont beleive me why beleive sadhguru.

Edited Friday at 11:29 PM by Hojo

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Ishanga i have a magical tree house that anyone who enters becomes enlightened. I sleep 1 hour a night and eat only rotten cabbage. Since I puke it up I don't defecate. My right index finger gets slightly warmer than me left index finger because I have spiritual energy.

I almost died creating my magical tree house when I dropped the nail gun on the ground and a nail shot out and hit me in the ear.

These are my magical powers.

If you dont beleive me why beleive sadhguru.

He can prove it, just watch the videos of his history, hear the stories of the other ppl involved over the years, what proof do you have, who would provide a testimony in your favor, and where is Your ashrams to visit, what temples have You built? Provide the proof then I will believe You. He already has! 

You sound either jealous or envious, more variations of Ego arising!

Edited Friday at 11:33 PM by Ishanga

[Ishanga]

Sadhguru on becoming conscious of all levels

 

[Hojo]

@Ishanga What magical powers do his followers have? All I have seen are people crying to his picture.

I'm simply questioning. You aren't. I can question a guru thats what an intelligent person would do.

Edited Friday at 11:34 PM by Hojo

[Ishanga]

Just now, Hojo said:

@Ishanga What magical powers do his followers have? All I have seen are people crying.

He throws those types out of the ashrams, didn't you know??

[Hojo]

@Ishanga Only he can manipulate people in his ashram. I know everything about sadhguru cause I was manipulated. I awaken without sadhguru and needed help and all he did was shove random bs in my brain. Leo helps. Sahdguru says random bs and confused me.

I didnt choose sadhguru it showed up in my feed and I listened to him and he is talking about stuff that I experienced.

He contradicts himself so much. He said he went to the un meeting to save the soil and no one cared. Why not make them care? He says he has the power to.

There are plenty of people that say the earth can't be saved and don't try to save it. That its a construct literally meant to fuck with you.

This interview threw me off this is not someone who is present and respectable to everyone. It reminds of the time destiny debated that one old teacher who just sat there and lectured him.

I've heard like 50 stories where people said his ashram sucked.

There is the saying if you meet a guru on the road kill him. Thats what sadhguru is a guru on the road. Looking for people to worship him. Sadhguru is the only guru on the road.

Edited Saturday at 12:56 AM by Hojo

[Elliott]

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Inner Engineering Practices and Advanced 4-day Isha Yoga Retreat Are Associated with Cannabimimetic Effects with Increased Endocannabinoids and Short-Term and Sustained Improvement in Mental Health: A Prospective Observational Study of Meditators:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32595741/

More than 70% increase in endocannabinoids and BDNF. I don't know about you, but that sounds pretty insane (no pun intended). And that's one study out of many.

Now, I would expect you could get similar results with a simple DIY meditation, but that doesn't subtract from the fact that his program has an effect (and it could be helpful for especially beginners in certain ways).

 

Research requires funding and prior recognition.

"Sadhguru's retreats, particularly his flagship Inner Engineering program and the advanced Samyama retreat, claim to be technologies for inner well-being that can bring about a range of physical, mental, and spiritual benefits. The programs emphasize that participants can "engineer" their internal system—their body, mind, emotions, and energies—to function as they desire, rather than being at the mercy of external situations."

 

"Profound inner transformation: Helping participants transcend the limitations of the body and mind.

Heightened states of consciousness: Achieving deeper meditative experiences and higher states of awareness."

 

"Experiencing the beyond: Serving as a gateway to subtler realms of experience and becoming more aware of what exists beyond the physical and psychological dimensions."

 

"Scientific scrutiny: Some scientific studies have been conducted and promoted by the foundation to support the health benefits of its practices. However, other studies examining Inner Engineering have had mixed results, with some finding no significant difference between participants and a control group. "

 

If a used car salesman sells you a car as a "mint luxury sports car", and it turns out to be a bit crappy, the car still 'helped' you, it kept you from walking, but he still conned you. Why do you think Leo took his course? To meditate?

 

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If there is no environment, if there is no soil, there is no food, no mental health (unless you're Babaji chilling in an ethereal realm). Sadhguru is not just a holistic thinker but a holistic executer, which is extremely valueable, and it would be a ridiculous undertaking if not impossible in principle without money being spent (and time is money anyways, so you're just wasting time AND money that way).

Sahdguru claims to be enlightened, leading others to this. If you can enlighten people, everyone on the planet will be an environmentalist. There would be no need for him to charge Leo just so he can plant trees.

Edited Saturday at 01:46 AM by Elliott

[Recursoinominado]

4 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Ramana was dragged kicking and screaming from his cave by his followers.

That's accurate. People flock to higher beings like flies to a lamp in the dark. 

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

"Scientific scrutiny: Some scientific studies have been conducted and promoted by the foundation to support the health benefits of its practices. However, other studies examining Inner Engineering have had mixed results, with some finding no significant difference between participants and a control group. "

Thank you ChatGPT for teaching us how science works and that virtually all of behavioral science has mixed results and that even in biomedical science, up to 80% of studies in some cases fail to be replicated.

If you want to make a good scientific basis for Inner Engineering, you need more studies and more high-quality studies such as the one I linked, and ironically then you also need more money.

 

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

If a used car salesman sells you a car as a "mint luxury sports car", and it turns out to be a bit crappy, the car still 'helped' you, it kept you from walking, but he still conned you. Why do you think Leo took his course? To meditate?

How do you think you become enlightened? And as Leo himself alluded to, there are different levels of the Inner Engineering program or the Isha system in general. Sadhguru has explicitly said there are things he is holding back and saving only for those that are ready because they are that destabilizing and transformative.

That's what is missing in the individualistic New Age spirituality embraced on this forum — institutional boundaries and safety mechanisms. That's what old religions have, because they realized over the thousands of years that spirituality is no joke. Today, you only realize it for yourself when it's maybe too late.

You think you can take a loaded gun of spiritual technology and play around with it willy-nilly? And you think this should be open source and that anybody who wants to maybe keep people from hurting themselves maybe irreversibly must be conmen? Go read about spiritual emergencies, go read about kundalini crises, go read about people who hospitalize themselves with psychedelics. Sadhguru and all spiritual "high priests" in history are doing you a massive favor. Places like Actualized.org, that's the real experiment.

Edited Saturday at 02:28 AM by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

That's what is missing in the individualistic New Age spirituality embraced on this forum — institutional boundaries and safety mechanisms. That's what old religions have, because they realized over the thousands of years that spirituality is no joke. Today, you only realize it for yourself when it's maybe too late.

I know this is side tracking a bit but this is so true. I am not for organised religion, but the guardrails some of these ancient traditions have in place are there for a VERY good reason.

Too often people think gatekeeping teachings or information is a power play & end up frustrated or infuriated - no. It is there to protect until ready. 

[Elliott]

 

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How do you think you become enlightened? And as Leo himself alluded to, there are different levels of the Inner Engineering program or the Isha system in general. Sadhguru has explicitly said there are things he is holding back and saving only for those that are ready because they are that destabilizing and transformative.

I still say you're making a false dilemma, it's irrelevant how one becomes enlightened, what's relevant is if Sahdgurus method works, if it does, well awesome I apologize. Just show an example that it does though, because that's what it's sold as.

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That's what is missing in the individualistic New Age spirituality embraced on this forum — institutional boundaries and safety mechanisms. That's what old religions have, because they realized over the thousands of years that spirituality is no joke. Today, you only realize it for yourself when it's maybe too late.

 

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You think you can take a loaded gun of spiritual technology and play around with it willy-nilly? And you think this should be open source and that anybody who wants to maybe keep people from hurting themselves maybe irreversibly must be conmen? Go read about spiritual emergencies, go read about kundalini crises, go read about people who hospitalize themselves with psychedelics. Sadhguru and all spiritual "high priests" in history are doing you a massive favor.

I think spiritual enlightenment is fake. I believe in all the different radical spiritual experiences and agree with you about doing them safely, that's not the issue I have with this.

Edited Saturday at 10:50 PM by Elliott

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

Sahdguru claims to be enlightened, leading others to this. If you can enlighten people, everyone on the planet will be an environmentalist. There would be no need for him to charge Leo just so he can plant trees.

"False dilemma fallacy". You can only enlighten so many people at one time and people need food and some need food in order to become enlightened. It's like you're trying to fit the whole of reality into a two-variable equation.

Edited Saturday at 02:34 AM by Carl-Richard

[Jodistrict]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I know this is side tracking a bit but this is so true. I am not for organised religion, but the guardrails some of these ancient traditions have in place are there for a VERY good reason.

Too often people think gatekeeping teachings or information is a power play & end up frustrated or infuriated - no. It is there to protect until ready. 

You needed to be a monk for 20 years to learn things like non duality.   But now we can get the information on the Internet.  I think that cat is already out of the bag.  

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

"False dilemma fallacy". You can only enlighten so many people at one time and people need food and some need food in order to become enlightened. It's like you're trying to fit the whole of reality into a two-variable equation.

So, you would take time from enlightening people for environmentalism? I just don't think so.

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, Elliott said:

I still say you're making a false dillema, it's irrelevant how one becomes enlightened, what's relevant is if Sahdgurus method does, if it does, well awesome I apologize. Just show an example that it does though, because that's what it's sold as.

That's where you look at testimonies because I doubt there are many studies looking at e.g. DMN activity and The Hood Mysticism Scale in advanced practicioners in Isha (feel free to find them). But I have zero doubt that Sadhguru's methods work, because they're fundamentally the same as other methods that do work. And I personally claim to be able to read energy, call me crazy. If you want to be a knitpicker, go dig up testimonies, there are probably millions out there.

 

6 minutes ago, Elliott said:

I think spiritual enlightenment is fake. I believe in all the different radical spiritual experiences and agree with you about doing them safely, that's not the issue I have with this.

Mkay, so Buddha is fake, Ramana Maharshi is fake, Jesus, Rupert Spira, Eckhart Tolle, it's all conmen the entire way down? You believe you can have spiritual experiences but that there is no growth, no integration, no plateaus, only unstable, random flux?

[Elliott]

10 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

That's where you look at testimonies because I doubt there are many studies looking at e.g. DMN activity and The Hood Mysticism Scale in advanced practicioners in Isha (feel free to find them). But I have zero doubt that Sadhguru's methods work, because they're fundamentally the same as other methods that do work. And I personally claim to be able to read energy, call me crazy. If you want to be a knitpicker, go dig up testimonies, there are probably millions out there.

I'm just asking for a person, like a video of someone explaining something profound.

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Mkay, so Buddha is fake, Ramana Maharshi is fake, Jesus, Rupert Spira, Eckhart Tolle, it's all conmen the entire way down? You believe you can have spiritual experiences but that there is no growth, no integration, no plateaus, only unstable, random flux?

No. They don't sell enlightenment. Even Sadhguru helps people, I like his teachings actually.

I don't think their enlightenment is from spiritual experience. I'm skeptical about Tolle and Ramana being enlightened. I think you can grow from spiritual experiences.

Edited Saturday at 02:55 AM by Elliott

[Carl-Richard]

18 minutes ago, Elliott said:

So, you would take time from enlightening people for environmentalism? I just don't think so.

My guy, he has already created Inner Engineering. It's not like it needs to be constantly re-invented or updated like some computer software. It's the same software from 30 000 years ago. And doing massive environmental movements, arguably the most massive ones in history, is amazing for garnering recognition. Again, the two-variable lens.

Besides, how many more Dhyanalingas or Shiva statues do you need to create? The common theme here is casting a wide net and trying out different solutions. His environmental movement is helping his project of enlightening people. You can disagree with his methods but to call him a conman is flat out ridiculous in my not-so-humble energy-reading New-Age-but-not-New-Age opinion.

Edited Saturday at 02:55 AM by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

16 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

You needed to be a monk for 20 years to learn things like non duality.   But now we can get the information on the Internet.  I think that cat is already out of the bag.  

My point still stands.

You have to build solid foundation before you swing from the highest treetops - or you will topple and fall from rotton roots.

False meaning is derived from truths learned too soon, so some of those guardrails exist to avoid that.

[Carl-Richard]

13 minutes ago, Elliott said:

I'm just asking for a person, like a video of someone explaining something profound.

Lmao sure. I haven't watched those videos, you can go find them yourself if you're genuinely curious and not simply trying to "hah I won the argument because he didn't use the YouTube search bar for me".

 

13 minutes ago, Elliott said:

No. They don't sell enlightenment.

Rupert Spira sells enlightenment. He does events. But this is still just weak "making money on enlightenment means conman". Inb4 Leo drops the newest course on Alien Awakening or whatever.

 

13 minutes ago, Elliott said:

I don't think their enlightenment is from spiritual experience.

I don't know what that means.

 

13 minutes ago, Elliott said:

I'm skeptical about Tolle being enlightened.

Everybody is skeptical about Tolle, he is like the scapegoat for guru skeptics.

Edited Saturday at 03:07 AM by Carl-Richard

[Elliott]

8 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

 

Rupert Spira sells enlightenment. He does events. But this is still just weak, "making money on enlightenment means conman". Inb4 Leo drops the newest course on Alien Awakening or whatever.

He sells stuff, but not enlightenment.

 

I quit looking into Tolle, I don't mean it as an attack.

Edited Saturday at 03:12 AM by Elliott