Sadhguru on Dr k

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, Socrates said:

Imagine someone telling you, if you don't control the mind, you are "mentally ill", and you get triggered instead of reflecting: "Maybe he is into something". You're unredeemable with that attitude.

Unfortunately, this is how the average normie - and even some users here - react to being told this. They refuse to look into it. All they hear is 'he is saying I am the cause of my mental problems, fuck you'. The obhur any responsibility pushed onto them.

It doesn't occur to them it might be THEM generating suffering or illness: despite the fact 2 people can have the same experience, but both are not guaranteed to walk away with trauma. Even that does not promote enquiry. 

It seems obvious to me to want to investigate what is happening there? What is one person doing (or not doing!) that is causing trauma and mental illness. 

Wooooosh 

 

Edited Friday at 02:26 PM by Natasha Tori Maru

[Hojo]

@Socrates Its not so much about saying if you cant control your mind your mentally ill

 Its about saying if you cant control your mind your mentally ill then someone asks for clarification and you ignore them

The statement now does more harm than good. Now sadhguru is hurting people.

Its like triggering psychosis in someone in purpose to make fun of them. The statement is not helpful and useless. If the people cant do it already they cant do it 

Its like having an interview to show off how not mentally ill you are compared to others. You see me I sit here no thought for 5 day! I'm not as mentally ill as you are! 

Well thanks for coming in sadhguru.

Those thoughts that come after the fact maybe something is wrong with me is a negative thought thats being put there by a guru. Its an extra thought. That wasn't there before the guru. That means the guru is doing something negative.

That negative thought maybe something is wrong with me is implanted into your brain that will lead to more suffering that wasnt there before you hear the guru. And then you still have 0 ability to resolve it.

If the guru who is trying to get you to stop thinking actually increases the negative thoughts like ' maybe something is wrong with me' they didn't help or solve anything. They make it worse on purpose.

Edited Friday at 03:42 PM by Hojo

[Jodistrict]

Sadhguru is a good businessman as demonstrated by the large organization he created and manages.  He has fashioned a message that appeals to a simplistic audience coming from a materialistic culture.   It’s important to keep in mind that his actual demonstrated competence is in business.  The same thing happens in the medicine world.  The guy who runs the Ayahuasca retreat has no shamanic abilities and may even be a sexual predator.  But he is a good businessman, which is why he is the one running a retreat.

Edited Friday at 04:05 PM by Jodistrict

[Elliott]

Anyone that claims to be enlightened and then proceeds to commence business to help people leave their "mental illness", is mentally ill. Sadghuru apparently needs to take his own Kriya course..... Sadghuru is a materialist, look at his personal life.

Edited Friday at 04:16 PM by Elliott

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

Anyone that claims to be enlightened and then proceeds to commence business to help people leave their "mental illness", is mentally ill. Sadghuru apparently needs to take his own Kriya course..... Sadghuru is a materialist, look at his personal life.

Da hell

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Really the talking that sadhguru does is just a smokescreen. He's not interested in chit-chating, he just burns like a flame. The only thing you can do in his presence is dissolve in it. The talking is just to get people's attention who would otherwise not be able to recognize the presence that he is. Something to hold on to as a stepping stone that would eventually take them into more subtle realities. 

Yup. If your mind and heart is open, you'll receive grace. If they're not, they must be worked on and massaged.

[Elliott]

9 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Da hell

He's a millionaire, if he can cure mental illness why isn't he sharing it for free? 

[Salvijus]

35 minutes ago, Elliott said:

He's a millionaire, if he can cure mental illness why isn't he sharing it for free? 

There's no such thing as "for free" in life. The Law of exchange is universal.

Spiritual teachings have never been free in history. In the past you'd have to srub the floor for 12 years before a teacher would deem you worthy of attention. People are spoiled now. To give dakshina for spiritual teachings have existed for thousands of years in Indian culture btw. It's common sense for tham to give something back whenever they receive something valuable. It's just a natural order of things. 

Edited Friday at 06:08 PM by Salvijus

[Hojo]

@SalvijusSadhguru says the opposite. He says you dont have to do anything to manifest.

[Carl-Richard]

17 minutes ago, Elliott said:

He's a millionaire, if he can cure mental illness why isn't he sharing it for free? 

He is sharing it for free for people who need it in the slums. But if you want to reach people, you need power and influence, and that's what money can give. This idea that you want your spiritual teacher to be poor is a weird irrational stereotypical "mental illness" in itself. There is no other scenario where you would want somebody you care about or a project you want to see grow to be poor.

Edited Friday at 05:50 PM by Carl-Richard

[Salvijus]

24 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@SalvijusSadhguru says the opposite. He says you dont have to do anything to manifest.

"you manifest what you exude" should be a correct answer. Or in other words "you reap what you sow" is what sadhguru is more likely to say I believe. You have to double check that quote of his, I doubt you're representing his position accurately. 

Edited Friday at 06:09 PM by Salvijus

[Elliott]

30 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

He is sharing it for free for people who need it in the slums. But if you want to reach people, you need power and influence, and that's what money can give. This idea that you want your spiritual teacher to be poor is a weird irrational stereotypical "mental illness" in itself. There is no other scenario where you would want somebody you care about or a project you want to see grow to be poor.

This is a false dilemma fallacy.

 

I didn't say sadhguru should be poor. If he can cure people it should be open-source and prolific. He's obviously a materialistic con-man.

Edited Friday at 06:20 PM by Elliott

[Salvijus]

18 minutes ago, Elliott said:

He's obviously a materialistic con-man.

So far as I'm aware he's been spending the money on various very successful environmental projects, building schools and providing healthcare, creating schools and providing education for children, taking care of rural communities and giving away free food to the starving, building infrastructure for people to have a special place to do sadhana and grow in conciousness. I'm personally glad he has money to do all those things. People need for someone to do such things. 

Edited Friday at 06:38 PM by Salvijus

[Hojo]

@Salvijus i just watched a video 5 minutes ago where he said you can just sit there and think about what you want and it will happen. He said just thinking it won't happen once can fuck it up.

Edited Friday at 07:19 PM by Hojo

[Salvijus]

17 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Salvijus i just watched a video 5 minutes ago where he said you can just sit there and think about what you want and it will happen.

Something will have to be given in exchange of it manifest still. To make something materialize from thin air, you pay for it with your life energies. 

Edited Friday at 07:22 PM by Salvijus

[Jodistrict]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

He is sharing it for free for people who need it in the slums. But if you want to reach people, you need power and influence, and that's what money can give. This idea that you want your spiritual teacher to be poor is a weird irrational stereotypical "mental illness" in itself. There is no other scenario where you would want somebody you care about or a project you want to see grow to be poor.

This sounds like prosperity gospel from a megachurch pastor.  

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, Jodistrict said:

This sounds like prosperity gospel from a megachurch pastor.  

What it sounds like is irrelevant when you can just look at the facts. 

[Hojo]

@Salvijus the thoughts are given and the emotion behind them. Which is free manifestation.

Edited Friday at 07:32 PM by Hojo

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

This is a false dilemma fallacy.

 

I didn't say sadhguru should be poor. If he can cure people it should be open-source and prolific.

There is no dilemma being suggested. Making money is an obviously smart way of getting your message spread to the most possible, not that it's an impossibility otherwise.

 

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

He's obviously a materialistic con-man.

If you simply assert so, it must be true.

 

9 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

This sounds like prosperity gospel from a megachurch pastor.  

Yeah ok. How would you personally try to reach the most people possible?

[Salvijus]

8 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Salvijus the thoughts are given and the emotion behind them. Which is free manifestation.

No, you infuse the image with your life energies, only then it manifests. Listen to sadhguru's words more carefully. And you can say your thoughts and emotions costs you energy aswell. You're going to need insane insane insane amounts of energy to manifest something from thin air. 

Edited Friday at 07:40 PM by Salvijus