Can you force a NDE?

[theoneandnone]

I can’t do psychedelics I am not mentally fit I mean I could do them but I know I can successfully harm myself. But anyways can I get close to a NDE through meditation or anything? I don’t care but I’ll never be comfortable with solipsism I just can’t sit with it anymore I want to expand my consciousness I wanna strip this physical body I feel like a prisoner to whatever this experience is. I am so obsessed with death I want to feel it I wanna embrace it and see what’s on the other side so fucking bad.

 

 

please don’t ban or lock my stuff I’m just venting and sick and tired of this bullshit experience maybe I died and I’m in hell maybe I deserve it.

[ExploringReality]

The only thing I came close to a near  death experience is through emergency surgical injuries, high dose mushrooms and LSD, and contemplating your death.

[LoneWonderer]

@theoneandnone sorry to hear that man, I believe traditional approaches such as meditation and kriya yoga will be your best chance if psychedelics are not an option.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

An OBE might be more realistic ?

[Hojo]

Yes keep drinking alcohol till you die.

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, theoneandnone said:

I am so obsessed with death I want to feel it I wanna embrace it and see what’s on the other side so fucking bad.

You are stuck in obessive thinking.

Please consider talking to a therapist, you need it.

You are slowly brainwashing yoursef with ideas of death and it will not end well. You need to focus on other things, something healthy and constructive.

Please take this advice seriously, we don't want to see you hurt yourself.

You are not going to induce an NDE other than through psychedelics. Psychedelics are safer than trying to induce an NDE some other way.

Your life is a gift, don't throw it away. Death will come on its own so you don't need to chase after it. Once you are dead you will wish you were alive. You are alive because you wanted to be.

You need to work on making your life good and beautiful.

[ExploringReality]

@Leo Gura thank you for this 

[_Archangel_]

11 hours ago, theoneandnone said:

I can’t do psychedelics I am not mentally fit I mean I could do them but I know I can successfully harm myself. But anyways can I get close to a NDE through meditation or anything? I don’t care but I’ll never be comfortable with solipsism I just can’t sit with it anymore I want to expand my consciousness I wanna strip this physical body I feel like a prisoner to whatever this experience is. I am so obsessed with death I want to feel it I wanna embrace it and see what’s on the other side so fucking bad.

 

 

please don’t ban or lock my stuff I’m just venting and sick and tired of this bullshit experience maybe I died and I’m in hell maybe I deserve it.

@theoneandnone Dude, just develop a good meditation practice and if you can, make time for a retreat.

For now, take 2 hours of your time and,
dedicate the first hour to following the breath.
the second to some technique like Noting or Scanning od Do Nothing. 

I garantee you are going to experience incredible things if you stick to it for even just a few days.

You can certainly experience feeling like dying or being dead already during meditation, but the point is: You shoud not force it. 
These experiences are a byproduct of good practice, and should not be the goal.

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, _Archangel_ said:

For now, take 2 hours of your time and,
dedicate the first hour to following the breath.
the second to some technique like Noting or Scanning od Do Nothing. 

I garantee you are going to experience incredible things if you stick to it for even just a few days.

That will not work for him. He has OCD thoughts. Meditation will only drive him deeper into negative thoughts.

He needs to go work on his material life.

[_Archangel_]

@Leo Gura shit, i skipped the first line of the OP, and i'm new to Him. Won't happen again.

@theoneandnone Cultivating a healhy, normal life  is essential for approaching spirituality.
Your psychological well being needs to be as on point as possible, then you will realise that many fo the "existential fixations"
you had will have disappared on their own. Many of our "spiritual problems" are actually a cover for day-to-day life problems.

[Thought Art]

@theoneandnone

 

[ivankiss]

Umm, maybe you can leave everything behind and depart from the comfort of your couch, with pockets full of empty air, walking deep into the unknown, never to come back as you were.

I assure you, you will have a close encounter or two with death. Naturally, spontaneously and for real. Not by using drugs or waiting for some miracle while pretending to meditate.

What's bugging you, and driving you mad (and not in a good way) is being paralyzed with fear in your little cocoon.

I might be wrong though. Don't believe me. Be honest with yourself.

 

Edited Tuesday at 12:29 PM by ivankiss

[ivankiss]

On a second thought, reading more deeply into it, I have to agree with @Leo Gura here.

Work on basic mental health and wellbeing first. Then embark on a journey.

Can't skip ahead or fast forward.

 

Edited Tuesday at 12:30 PM by ivankiss

[theoneandnone]

5 hours ago, Thought Art said:

@theoneandnone

 

One of my favorite bands 

[theoneandnone]

I appreciate the sentiments, I know I’m clogging up this forum with this shit and I’m sorry but if solipsism is the ultimate end goal I refuse to do it. I refuse to stay in this dream talking to myself no matter how much I accept the synchronicities… the obvious proof etc I still reject it. I understand the complexity of solipsism etc. but I refuse to be god jerking off in his dream playing with himself. And I totally understand suicide discouragement etc obviously but if it’s my own self talking to me why the hell would I care. Has no weight to it it’s like a dream character saying “don’t leave us” Of course you guys don’t want me to leave because the fucking game and dream ends with me. This is not bashing Leo btw or anyone. (Or myself) lol. 

Edited Tuesday at 05:10 PM by theoneandnone

[JTL]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 He has OCD thoughts. Meditation will only drive him deeper into negative thoughts.

 

@Leo Gura Dont quite agree on that from my on experience. I had a episode some years ago where I got very distressed by a vulgar thought that caused me alot of greif. I have anxiety and ADD aswell I think the ocd thougts proabley came from that, but never mind, Your video guided meditation and letting go techinqu really helped, just let the thought be and let my the mind do what It want was the soultion, and after some time the problem or ocd stopped. I have a lot of thoughts through out the day and the feeling when I meditate and just reach the state where its just silence is amazing.

Edited Tuesday at 09:09 PM by JTL

[Oppositionless]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are stuck in obessive thinking.

Please consider talking to a therapist, you need it.

You are slowly brainwashing yoursef with ideas of death and it will not end well. You need to focus on other things, something healthy and constructive.

Please take this advice seriously, we don't want to see you hurt yourself.

You are not going to induce an NDE other than through psychedelics. Psychedelics are safer than trying to induce an NDE some other way.

Your life is a gift, don't throw it away. Death will come on its own so you don't need to chase after it. Once you are dead you will wish you were alive. You are alive because you wanted to be.

You need to work on making your life good and beautiful.

My friend told me

"everyone who is alive wants to die"

and I said 

"everyone who is dead wants to be alive"

Edited Tuesday at 11:38 PM by Oppositionless

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

My friend told me

"everyone who is alive wants to die"

and I said 

"everyone who is dead wants to be alive"

Most people don't wanna die tho.

And plenty who died don't wanna live.

Life is stressful.

Edited Wednesday at 03:25 AM by Leo Gura

[theoneandnone]

People don’t wanna die they just want to escape whatever turmoil they have. And death seems to be the way to get rid of it.

[cetus]

8 minutes ago, theoneandnone said:

People don’t wanna die they just want to escape whatever turmoil they have.

My legs used to take me wherever I wanted to go. I now have MS and that has all changed. I miss the freedom I once had to live life. I could just get up and go and do whatever I wanted. That was sweet. What freedom!  My best dreams are the ones where I have normal legs again.