Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

[Scholar]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

God is unbiased in the formless sense. But if God is incarnated as a living organism then it is biased against pain.

God can have biases, but that means God is taking on some finite form.

God wears many masks. Each mask is a bias. God can be unbiased but then God is wearing no mask and then God cannot be seen.

If you want total nonbias then you have to accept total formlessness.

Ultimately, the acceptance of total formlessness is the acceptance of all form, all finitude. This means bias is acceptance, resistance is acceptance, suffering is acceptance. The unbiasedness of God is the bias of all things.

 

You frame things from Leo's perspective.

From God's perspective, you are Ultimate Consciousness, you are the direct result of it. Really, you are it, not even the result.

 

The act of dreaming requires total formlessness, it requires total consciousness.

Edited October 16 by Scholar

[Sandroew]

I would love to attend this retreat. Its probably not realistic for me to go next year, but eventually for sure. If you do one in Europe, all the better. I think Portugal is also a good candidate along with Netherlands for that.

[Leo Gura]

53 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Ultimately, the acceptance of total formlessness is the acceptance of all form, all finitude. This means bias is acceptance, resistance is acceptance, suffering is acceptance. The unbiasedness of God is the bias of all things.

Acceptance is one thing. Ending your formed life is entirely another.

[Scholar]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Acceptance is one thing. Ending your formed life is entirely another.

It's a circle Leo. We all die.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Scholar said:

It's a circle Leo. We all die.

Okay. See you in death.

[Deziree]

I would love to attend.

[Inliytened1]

I didn't read through this whole thread but you guys would be good to go to this if he has it.  Leo is one of the most advanced human beings in the world and this would be a gold mine for you.  

@Leo Gura however I hope you havent become too advanced for your own good. Your older stuff was Gold. Where you are wanting to go now with Alien Consciousness and the like could steer beginners away.  

Edited October 17 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

On 10/14/2025 at 10:00 PM, Emerald said:

I think you'd benefit most of all from a communal Ayahuasca retreat.... especially since you have a resistance to it.

A little dose of what you call "group think" would be very healing for you.

But also consider... this forum is group think... and your retreats would also be group think.

It's just group think that's lead by you as the thought leader.

This is false. You should really heed what Leo said.  Group think doesn't get you to enlightenment.   Enlightenment is about looking into yourself.  It would have to teach something you would do alone. 

Edited October 17 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

17 hours ago, Water by the River said:

Leo, imagine you were having the scenario above as a lucid dream at night. And you clearly know that you dream, and that you will wake up at some point. And you experience this dream, and clearly know its just a temporary passing dream. How much would this affect you? The dream would still be very sad, you would probably still cry. But you would clearly know it is a dream. And that this dream won't last forever, and can't and won't change your essence, and is mere appearance.

And now you can imagine Enlightenment as being aware that this life and world is just an appearing dream. Including your body, thoughts, I-thoughts, feelings, anything. And this realization is always available, because all thoughts and appearances have become mere lucid appearances "dancing" in Infinite Being. Dreamstuff.

Wouldn't it make much more sense to work towards waking up and making the dream lucid (Enlightenment), instead of chasing more dream Aliens and understandings? Because the chasing/grasping is the opposite of resting in choiceless Awareness for long times, which is necessary for waking up.

And btw., nobody has said there is no suffering. There is tremendous suffering in this world, and most beings take that as very real, because for them it is not a dream but appears very real, and very dualistic self vs. other, and very much suffering/self-contraction. Did anybody doubt that?

 

Francis Lucille, The Perfume of Silence:

"Suffering, psychological suffering, is not necessary and can be avoided. However, there is certainly pain and that cannot be avoided. Hence the
distinction. To enjoy pleasure and suffer pain is part of the package of having a body. Psychological suffering is the most intense of all and it is not necessary. If you don’t want to make a distinction, I cannot explain why psychological suffering is not necessary.

Psychological suffering is related to the notion of a sufferer, a person. It is always related to past and future. Consider for instance the case of my friend
William Samuel. During World War II he was in China. He was assigned a Chinese interpreter who was a Taoist sage, although he didn’t know it at the
time. The first thing that he noticed about this man was that he was always happy, smiling and enjoying.

One day they were in great danger. William’s platoon was being pursued by the Japanese who were very close. They were running back towards their lines. There were hills on the horizon and the sage pointed to the purple line of the mountains and said to William, “Look, how beautiful!” William said, “It was the last thing I would have thought about at that moment.” Some time later William discovered that three months earlier the sage’s wife had been raped and killed by the Japanese and that they had also killed his two sons. That’s what triggered his interest in this man, and he eventually became his student. This Taoist sage was free from the past. He may have been in pain, but he was not suffering on account of the death of his wife and children. In seeing the beauty of the purple hills while under enemy fire, he was teaching a wonderful lesson in courage and love. It is hard to imagine more atrocious circumstances."

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And why is there evil and suffering? For learning. According to pretty much all OBLers, there is a life review after death. The soul gets reflected from the energies/emotions it caused as evil-doer, and can learn. The soul of the victim can also learn to not do what the prepetrator did. The impacts caused from ones life come back, for learning and reviewing. This can be a quite hellish experience, for example Jürgen Ziewe describes a suicide-bombers afterlife. Not for the faint-of-hearted.

I think your view that everbody goes singing with the angels/aliens and becoming Infinity after death is a bit naive and is not in line with thousands of OBElers of the millienia exploring the Afterlife-Realms. I can only recommend you to cause as little havoc as possible with your followers, and lead them in a good direction. It will all come back to you. In the dream called Afterlife-review and Afterlife-realms. 

Bon voyage!

 

 

Well said but I would add that they do become Infinity 😀  Angel's and Aliens however is no different than Jesus.  Infinite Consciousness or Infinite Mind is where you go.  Which means you actually go nowhere.  You only change states. 

Edited October 17 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

@Leo Gura if you are going to do a retreat you should teach meditation and self inquiry.  And waking up from the dream. Remember the dream episode? Just like you did in the beginning when you went on all those retreats yourself.  When you came back and understood What is Perception.  What is Truth.  What is God. What is Consciousness.  What is Inifnity. And what is self.  And the implications of Oneness. Your final video on what is other was hidden.  But that is what you should be teaching.

Edited October 17 by Inliytened1

[Leo Gura]

42 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Leo Gura if you are going to do a retreat you should teach meditation and self inquiry.  And waking up from the dream. Remember the dream episode? Just like you did in the beginning when you went on all those retreats yourself.  When you came back and understood What is Perception.  What is Truth.  What is God. What is Consciousness.  What is Inifnity. And what is self.  And the implications of Oneness. Your final video on what is other was hidden.  But that is what you should be teaching.

All those retreats were bad. Which is why I want to design my own.

I will not teach meditation but all the facets of God/Consciousness will be taught.

[Inliytened1]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

All those retreats were bad. Which is why I want to design my own.

I will not teach meditation but all the facets of God/Consciousness will be taught.

Its fine if you want to teach getting there your own way but meditation is still one of those means.  It shouldn't be excluded.  And those retreats couldn't have been all bad.  They brought you something afterall.  Even if it was psychedelics.that cracked the egg you still had the conceptual framework down to awaken another even if you yourself hadn't.  That was the true beauty of your earlier work.  It was amazing actually.  But I'm not opposed to psychedelics just not sure how you would work it legally.  I would be the first there because I've never done them.  Not for God realization but just for another look at it.

Edited October 17 by Inliytened1

[Leo Gura]

@Inliytened1 I don't exclude meditation, but it is not the focus on this retreat since we will be short on time anyway and it won't be necessary.

If people want to learn meditation there are much better teachers of it than me. My speciality is in teaching understanding.

Edited October 17 by Leo Gura

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

@Inliytened1 I don't exclude meditation, but it is not the focus on this retreat since we will be short on time anyway and it won't be necessary.

If people want to learn meditation there are much better teachers of it than me. My speciality is elsewhere.

Time is the key here.  What do you expect would be the ultimate goal here and how would you execute it? I think you said legally so what would be the focus?

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

This is false. You should really heed what Leo said.  Group think doesn't get you to enlightenment.   Enlightenment is about looking into yourself.  It would have to teach something you would do alone. 

The irony with this and planning a retreat in the same thread (and saying "you should really heed what Leo said"). The New Age paradox.

Edited October 17 by Carl-Richard

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

The irony with this and planning a retreat in the same thread (and saying "you should really heed what Leo said"). The New Age paradox.

Well maybe that's the trick of making a retreat work while not adhering to typical group think mindset.  It's possible because paradox is possible.  You shouldn't cut Leo to the quick he wouldn't plan a retreat if it was just going to be group think. 

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Well maybe that's the trick of making a retreat work while not adhering to typical group think mindset.  It's possible because paradox is possible.  You shouldn't cut Leo to the quick he wouldn't plan a retreat if it was just going to be group think. 

What you try to repress the most, you become.

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

What you try to repress the most, you become.

Not necessarily.  What is this forum but a giant group think retreat.  The videos aren't. They are straight to you.  Maybe he wants something more personal but not with group think mentality.  Let's all hug each other and say we are one.  Nope.  I'm waiting to hear how he would do it but I would say it would have to involve one on one interaction. 

Edited October 17 by Inliytened1

[Carl-Richard]

20 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Not necessarily.  What is this forum but a giant group think retreat.  The videos aren't. They are straight to you.  Maybe he wants something more personal but not with group think mentality.  Let's all hug each other and say we are one.  Nope.  I'm waiting to hear how he would do it but I would say it would have to involve one on one interaction. 

"Here on Actualized.org, we absolutely fetishize individualism, and if you don't, you are possessed by group-think". 🫢

Edited October 17 by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

"Here on Actualized.org, we absolutely fetishize individualism, and if you don't, you're possessed by group-think". 🫢

We talk about collective issues as important. That's what Conscious Politics is.