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Why one would not defend Israel ?

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3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@zazen

So you compare Pakistan with the United Kingdom or the United States, and in your opinion, Pakistan is more fair because there's less inequality.

 You handle a large amount of information, but your processor doesn't seem to be working properly. Do you think forced marriage is a good thing? For some (maybe crazy) people, it's violence and rape.

Do you understand that humanity is imperfect and that the West is very imperfect, but it has ideals of liberty and equality, which are never fulfilled, but tend toward them, or are attempted?

Do you understand that your admired Islamic world has as its ideal the complete adherence to a book written by a warlord self proclaimed messiah 1,400 years ago? Doesn't that seem like a slightly, shall we say, oppressive philosophy to you? What's the point of that? What's its purpose? To go to paradise? What kind of madness is that?

This is all old boomer propaganda that you haven't updated your software from

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13 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

@Breakingthewall I have a question for you

Which countries are right now committing genocide and which ones aren't?

Very basic

@zazen(can't remove that quote sorry)

@Twentyfirst

Genocide is the extermination of an ethnic group or population. For example, the Hutus killed almost a million Tutsis in one month with knives, the Turks a million Armenians, the Nazis 6 million Jews, etc. Do you really think the Israelis are trying to exterminate the Palestinians?

Look, the Palestinian can live under the Israeli law without any problem. They must renounce to hang the gays, stone the adulterous and force marriages, I know that this is hard for Muslims, but they can do it in all the other countries around, so they should accept it and live. 

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5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@zazen(can't remove that quote sorry)

@Twentyfirst

Genocide is the extermination of an ethnic group or population. For example, the Hutus killed almost a million Tutsis in one month with knives, the Turks a million Armenians, the Nazis 6 million Jews, etc. Do you really think the Israelis are trying to exterminate the Palestinians?

Look, the Palestinian can live under the Israeli law without any problem. They must renounce to hang the gays, stone the adulterous and force marriages, I know that this is hard for Muslims, but they can do it in all the other countries around, so they should accept it and live. 

What are you even talking about? Why do you get to determine the outcome of another group of people and change their laws?

Colonial mentality 

I have never in my life seen or heard of a gay being hung

I have never seen anyone getting stoned. (People who cheat should be punished extremely though)

I have never ever ever seen a forced marriage. It's not allowed (Go to a muslim country and try to buy a bride that doesn't want you, see what happens to you)

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16 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

What are you even talking about? Why do you get to determine the outcome of another group of people and change their laws?

Colonial mentality 

I have never in my life seen or heard of a gay being hung

I have never seen anyone getting stoned. (People who cheat should be punished extremely though)

I have never ever ever seen a forced marriage. It's not allowed (Go to a muslim country and try to buy a bride that doesn't want you, see what happens to you)

@zazen (cant remove quote)

 

Have you ever heard of honor killings, where parents or brothers kill a girl for not marrying the person they're ordered to and are later acquitted by the court? It's very common in the Islamic world, although it's normal for the woman to obey.

The countries where homosexuality is officially punishable by death are: Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Nigeria (northern states), Afghanistan, Mauritania, Pakistan, Brunei.

Regarding what you say about colonialism, perhaps it is. Then call it colonialism, not genocide.

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27 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@zazen (cant remove quote)

 

Have you ever heard of honor killings, where parents or brothers kill a girl for not marrying the person they're ordered to and are later acquitted by the court? It's very common in the Islamic world, although it's normal for the woman to obey.

This happens in the west. Dads and brothers kill the woman for being a slut. Maybe in the trailer parks or in the country it happens more. They call it a "crime of passion" and they get less of a sentence

No it's not "very common" in the Islamic world. You have never been to an islamic country have you?

It's normal everywhere for women to obey. Men are leaders and women are followers. Not everyone is as beta and feminized as you who grew up with a single mother after she drove ur father away with her sass

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The countries where homosexuality is officially punishable by death are: Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Nigeria (northern states), Afghanistan, Mauritania, Pakistan, Brunei.

Homosexuality was illegal in the west just a couple decades ago. There are still fights about the lgbtq today

Just because it's punishable by death doesn't mean it's enforced

You think that you automatically have everything right. "Since we allow gays that means EVERYONE has to". No they don't, if they don't want gays that is their decision. Period. Homosexuality is wrong in a collective society (which is why they don't allow it most societies in the world are collectivists and always will be). "Woman's rights" in the way that you think women should have rights are also wrong (women have rights everywhere just not in a way that would please you, but ironically women are the most depressed and used as sex objects in the pill popping white countries)

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Regarding what you say about colonialism, perhaps it is. Then call it colonialism, not genocide.

It's genocide. By international community standards it has already been called a genocide

I called what you said colonial. "Palestinians can only live once they live how I want them to live" You are just some mentally ill person on an Internet forum, why is what you say important?

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28 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

This happens in the west. Dads and brothers kill the woman for being a slut. Maybe in the trailer parks or in the country it happens more. They call it a "crime of passion" and they get less of a sentence

No it's not "very common" in the Islamic world. You have never been to an islamic country have you?

It's normal everywhere for women to obey. Men are leaders and women are followers. Not everyone is as beta and feminized as you who grew up with a single mother after she drove ur father away with her sass

may be, but only in Muslim countries is it punishable by death. In China, Russia, Vietnam, Papua New Guinea, etc., etc., it isn't. (In some African countries is punishable by jail)

It's also not permissible to kill your daughter if she doesn't submit to the marriage imposed by her father, nor is it obligation to cover women even if the temperature is 50 degrees. It's not just in the weak and castrated West; it's everywhere. In Mongolia, the Congo, etc.

Also, in no other countries but the Muslims it's allowed marry girls of 9, 10, 11 years old putting her lifes in serious risk in the pregnancy. But as Muhammad did, it's allowed 

28 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

It's genocide. By international community standards it has already been called a genocide

They are saying this in Europe, but sure you know that it's a nonsense. Europeans are so emotional, like narcissist teenagers. You are right saying that we are a civilization of weak and very stupid people, I'm 100% agree

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1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

@zazen  

The Nakba occurred after the Palestinian defeat in a war they started. After each defeat, they lost territory.

Palestinians can live under the State of Israel, but they cannot self-determine. Like any other Muslim group in the Gulf, they end up ruled by radical Islam, which hangs homosexuals, stones adulterers, allows forced marriages, and has Israel as its mortal enemy, brainwashed by the islamism. The other option is that the Islamic dictatorship will be deposed by a military dictator, as in Syria or Egypt, and that this dictator will be tolerant of Israel out of self-interest against its population.

In Iraq, parliament has just approved the marriage of 9-year-old girls. It is better to protect Muslims from these practices, as well as stoning women, the murder of gays, and the obligation to wear a hood under penalty of death. It is not good for human beings. It's sad that they have that tendency, and seems inevitable, but a democratic country like Israel can't allow that political tendency in its territory. If in the future the Muslims show sanity and will to develop as society, stopping seeing martyrdom as main value and goal in life, then they could claim self determination in Israel. For now seems better to protect the humanity from this strange behavior 

Anyway, just a reflection: imagine that Jews never came to Palestine. How would be Palestine now? Would Palestine exist, or maybe if would be absorbed by another country. If don't, how would be it now? A good place to live? What kind of place?

From the other thread which is more for news.

Bro your logic is the same colonial thinking as you’ve outlined to Twentyfirst above.

Firstly you have a caricature of Muslims in your head. There’s definitely development needed and some extremist elements that need to be resolved or remedies - but most Muslims renounce those elements. When countries are destabilised and war torn they’re ripe for extremes factions taking control - note your example of Iraq. Same thing with the slave trade now happening after Democracy was delivered to Libya. Hard times create conditions for hardliners to swoop in with their hardline stances.

Much of the backwardness in practice is due to socio-economic conditions and extremist factions. Especially in more impoverished rural parts of those countries including India and Pakistan. Most marriages in the Muslim world aren’t forced - introductions happen via family and friends which is then considered “arranged” but all that was arranged was the initial meeting. It’s up to the couple to go forward with things or not. That’s how it is these days.

The problem with your thinking is that you think moral imperfection or lower development in some aspects justifies being under the rule of another group more developed in those aspects. You also conflate a religion of over 2 billion people with evil whilst not acknowledging the nuances involved including in the application of that religion or in how people operate their day to day life.

 By your logic the Nordic’s should govern crazy ass Americans who shoot up schools all the time or Japanese should govern India to enforce proper hygiene standards. India has rampant rape, defecation, forced child marriage and a caste system where Dalits (200million people) are deemed untouchable. Does that justify being governed by a group more advanced in those specific aspects? Does that make Hinduism backwards and inherently evil?

Guess India needs to be occupied by a superior people to rid them of these issues?

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9 minutes ago, zazen said:

By your logic the Nordic’s should govern crazy ass Americans who shoot up schools all the time or Japanese should govern India to enforce proper hygiene standards. I

 No, Muslims could govern themselves, but if they share a land, like in Israel, you would agree that it's difficult to deal with those usages. Anyway, it could be possible if the main principle of their culture weren't the dissapearance of Israel. 

About you said of devastated lands like Iraq or Libya (implying the responsibility of west, that is a reality) , if a dictator like Saddam of gadafi rules, things could be not so extremes, but if there aren't a strong military, the Islamics take the power and something like Afganistán can happen, that is a real dystopia, a hell, or like Irak approving a law about pedophile because Muhammad did. That's insane.

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13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

They are saying this in Europe, but sure you know that it's a nonsense. Europeans are so emotional, like narcissist teenagers. You are right saying that we are a civilization of weak and very stupid people, I'm 100% agree

How about pretty much the whole world saying and voting in the same manner as seen in UN assembly votes? Are they under some Islamic voodoo spell - maybe Aladdin wished it from the genies lamp to hypnotize the world towards the Palestinian cause?

Or perhaps your just a BJP Zio bootlicker waxing apologetics for colonialism, despite your own country of India (if your from there which I assume) being under the same boot of colonialism - ironically shameful of you to do so if that’s the case, but a shame regardless of whether anyone’s from a ex-colonised country or not to hold and justify the colonial perspective.

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14 minutes ago, zazen said:

How about pretty much the whole world saying and voting in the same manner as seen in UN assembly votes? Are they under some Islamic voodoo spell - maybe Aladdin wished it from the genies lamp to hypnotize the world towards the Palestinian cause?

Do you seriously think that killing 60,000 people in a city of 2 million in three years, trying to wipe out a militia hiding among the population, is genocide? Well, ok. Maybe you could think that demolish buildings is genocide, or maybe insult people is genocide. You insulted me before, maybe are you one of those genocidal?? Shit. Fucking Monster Genocidal.

14 minutes ago, zazen said:

despite your own country of India (if your from there which I assume)

No, I'm Spanish, the country of the hippies retarded who are going in boats to gaza now to free Palestine in the name of LGTB collective 😅🤣

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@zazen  

Anyway, you'll agree that the Palestinians are lucky that Israel and Europe are so moral. You can cry all you want, but can you imagine if the Kurds messed with the Turks like that? Or the Chechens with the Russians? Or the Chinese Muslims with the Chinese? Doing something like 7 October?

Maybe there would be genocide there, but for real, with phosphorus bombs. In Tokyo, Americans killed 100,000 people in one day with phosphorus, and no one talked about genocide.

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@Breakingthewall And if European Muslim terorrists would do Oct7 to the Frenches or Italians. 

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7 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Breakingthewall And if European Muslims would do Oct7 to the Frenches or Italians. 

They've already carried out very serious attacks in France, Spain, and GB, but it's different because they're isolated terrorist cells, radicalized jihadists with orders from Syria or any other place. So, how do they could react? Well, the US reacted extremely harshly after 9/11. Let's see if it happens again .

All that shit of the genocide and macron crying is by fear. They don't want another. On knees between the Islamics.

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@Breakingthewall Israel too absorbed serious terror attacks for years but never reacted in this way until Oct7 which was 100 times worse.

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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20 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@zazen  

Anyway, you'll agree that the Palestinians are lucky that Israel and Europe are so moral. You can cry all you want, but can you imagine if the Kurds messed with the Turks like that? Or the Chechens with the Russians? Or the Chinese Muslims with the Chinese? Doing something like 7 October?

Maybe there would be genocide there, but for real, with phosphorus bombs. In Tokyo, Americans killed 100,000 people in one day with phosphorus, and no one talked about genocide.

Your whole comparison ignores that Palestinians are not a secessionist minority within Israel - they’re native people being dispossessed, occupied, and blockaded. That’s not the same as Chechens in Russia or Uyghurs in China.

To say “they’re lucky” they aren’t getting treated more brutally is grotesque after everything we’ve seen with our own eyes.

I hope you’re getting your siestas in Spain properly so you can think clearer papi.

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On 9/28/2025 at 2:33 PM, Twentyfirst said:

It's only half the story. The other half is YOU white fuckers (unless you are Jewish I can't tell) have been oppressing Jews for 2,000 years just as a sport of pleasure 

Who are you to say that Arabs should treat Jews better? 

I am Jewish..


 

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34 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I am Jewish..

On 2025-09-28 at 0:33 PM, Twentyfirst said:

It's only half the story. The other half is YOU white fuckers (unless you are Jewish I can't tell) have been oppressing Jews for 2,000 years just as a sport of pleasure 

Who are you to say that Arabs should treat Jews better? 

@Inliytened1 As a jew, what do you think of Twentyfirst's comment "The other half is YOU white fuckers (unless you are Jewish I can't tell) have been oppressing Jews for 2,000 years just as a sport of pleasure"? Do you think this is accurate or do you think there's more to the story? 

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@MightyMind He went to sleep because here is 1:34 AM


🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

may be, but only in Muslim countries is it punishable by death. In China, Russia, Vietnam, Papua New Guinea, etc., etc., it isn't. (In some African countries is punishable by jail)

It doesn't matter what the law is. Only what is enforced

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It's also not permissible to kill your daughter if she doesn't submit to the marriage imposed by her father, nor is it obligation to cover women even if the temperature is 50 degrees. It's not just in the weak and castrated West; it's everywhere. In Mongolia, the Congo, etc.

Take your daughter to the Middle East and kill her. See what they do to you

Women can generally wear what they want. They don't want to be whores. Why would they walk around in bikinis? To be jerk off material for you since you can't get a woman to submit to you and are thirsty?

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Also, in no other countries but the Muslims it's allowed marry girls of 9, 10, 11 years old putting her lifes in serious risk in the pregnancy. But as Muhammad did, it's allowed 

Go to a muslim country and knock on random doors asking to marry their child. See what happens to you

There were 300k child marriages in the USA the past decades. You are ruled by leaders who go to Epstien island. You have no moral authority to speak on worldly politics until you fix your own societies first 

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They are saying this in Europe, but sure you know that it's a nonsense. Europeans are so emotional, like narcissist teenagers. You are right saying that we are a civilization of weak and very stupid people, I'm 100% agree

They are saying it everywhere. Including some Americans and Israelis. It's officially recognized. If this isn't a gneoicde then the holocaust never happened either 

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