Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

The logic is as follows:

Imagine if I called Charlie Kirk a racist and then some psychopath shot Kirk with a bullet with "racist" written on it. Does that mean I am now not allowed to call anyone a racist?

The logic is as follows:

Imagine if I called Charlie Kirk a fascist and then some psychopath shot Kirk with a bullet with "fascist" written on it. Does that mean I am now not allowed to call anyone a fascist?

Let's not use the term racist here let's use fascist.  So I replaced your words.  Yes you would not want to do that for obvious reasons.  But notice how it.is different depending on the word. So nice try trying to change it up .

[Elliott]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

The logic is as follows:

Imagine if I called Charlie Kirk a fascist and then some psychopath shot Kirk with a bullet with "fascist" written on it. Does that mean I am now not allowed to call anyone a fascist?

Let's not use the term racist here let's use fascist.  So I replaced your words.  Yes you would not want to do that for obvious reasons.  But notice how it.is different depending on the word. So nice try trying to change it up .

So, you're okay with us calling them racists? What's our replacement for "fascist"?

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[Joshe]

42 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's not fair. Kirk subscribed to the rhetoric.

No. Kirk wouldn’t have had half the fame he had if Trump never entered. Yes, Kirk was what he was, but he only reached so many people because Trump paved the way for division and split the country. 

Idk if you recall, but before Trump, most people in the US did not engage in politics whatsoever. Now, the most common thing ever at holiday family get togethers is political tension and arguments. Countless families torn apart. Family members disowned. Decades-old friendships ruined. All this is a completely new phenomenon brought about by Trump. Trump created entirely new attention markets, which Kirk rose to fame through.

So it’s totally reasonable and fair to consider the killer never would have even heard Kirk’s name had Trump not carved out these divisions.

If Trump didn’t win in 2016, you and I probably would never have heard the name “Charlie Kirk”. 

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[Elliott]

Conservatives,

Is Trump arguably a fascist?

 

"Fascism is generally defined as a political movement that embraces far-right nationalism and the forceful suppression of any opposition,"

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[Staples]

Here's a thought experiment: What would CK have said if someone like Cenk Uygur or Hasan was shot at a speaking event?

And CK was rewarded for the things he said. That's the tragedy. A movement that rewards that kind of rhetoric is sick to the core.

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[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Right wingers,

Is Trump arguably a fascist?

 

"Fascism is generally defined as a political movement that embraces far-right nationalism and the forceful suppression of any opposition,"

Is the current regime facism? I don't think so.  Trump is a glorified Putin. He's Americanized.  He wants power. But more importantly he wants his corporation to thrive and his daughter to win the Bachelorette.  He's not Hitler. But guys like Kirk go around spreading the crap Leo is spreading and what do you think happens.  Lots of bad stuff.  Leo dial it back

 

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[Elliott]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Is the current regime facism? I don't think so.  Trump is a glorified Putin. He's Amerocanized.  He wants power. But more importantly he wants his corporation to thrive and his daughter to win the Bachelorette.  He's not Hitlsrer. But guys like Kirk go around spreading the crap Leo is spreading and what do you think happens.  Lots of bad stuff.  Leo dial it back

 

I did not ask if you think he's fascist, I asked is he ARGUABLY a fascist?

Is putin arguably fascist?

 

"Fascism is generally defined as a political movement that embraces far-right nationalism and the forceful suppression of any opposition,"

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[Elliott]

Is it debatable?

[Elliott]

Is it open to discussion?

Should it not be discussed, debated, or argued?

[Leo Gura]

37 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

The logic is as follows:

Imagine if I called Charlie Kirk a fascist and then some psychopath shot Kirk with a bullet with "fascist" written on it. Does that mean I am now not allowed to call anyone a fascist?

Let's not use the term racist here let's use fascist.  So I replaced your words

I do not have a problem with that.

I literally have political science books on my bookshelf which analyze Trump and MAGA as a fascistic authoritarian movement.

Calling someone a fascist does not imply in any way that assassinating them is called for or wanted. I don't even know why I am explaining this.

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Is it debatable?

No it's not. Hitler was a fascist.  There aren't many other regimes i can equate that to.  But Leo just fed into why Kirk died by calling the current regime in America fascist. It is not.  It appears to be and may be messed up on many levels but there is a difference.  What people like Leo are doing are poisoning people's minds into believing this a direct threat to your survival so what the heck do you expect.

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[Elliott]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

  It appears to be and may be messed up on many levels but there is a difference.  

But we shouldn't debate it?

"Fascism is generally defined as a political movement that embraces far-right nationalism and the forceful suppression of any opposition,"

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[Joshe]

This dude always articulates well. “For more than a decade, Kirk made his living by pouring fuel on America’s culture war” 

 

[Inliytened1]

Fascism is generally defined as a political movement that embraces far-right nationalism and the forceful suppression of any opposition,"

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6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I do not have a problem with that.

I literally have political science books on my bookshelf which analyze Trump and MAGA as a fascistic authoritarian movement.

Calling someone a fascist does not imply in any way that assassinating them is called for or wanted. I don't even know why I am explaining this.

Per @ElliotFascism is generally defined as a political movement that embraces far-right nationalism and the forceful suppression of any opposition,"

 

[Leo Gura]

@Inliytened1 Honestly ask yourself: Was Kirk shot because the shooter heard a leftist calling Kirk a fascist on the internet? Or was Kirk shot because he said bigoted and inflammatory things which offended and outraged the shooter?

Who has been stoking the culture war for the last 10 years for viral clicks?

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[Joshe]

“He delighted in humiliating unprepared college students on camera - a blood sport carefully staged for viral consumption.” 
 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

@Inliytened1 Honestly ask yourself: Was Kirk shot because the shooter heard a leftist calling Kirk a fascist on the internet? Or was Kirk attacked because he said bigoted and inflammatory things which offended and outraged the shooter?

If he wrote fascist on the bullet I take maybe he understood what that was.  Maybe he didn't.  All I can say is people pushing that whole agenda should be very careful. 

[Joshe]

@Inliytened1 the video I just posted directly addresses your position and reveals the absurdity. Your argument is identical to Trump’s. If you find yourself agreeing with Trump, at the same time in strong disagreement with intelligent people, that’s a sign bro. 

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[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

If he wrote fascist on the bullet I take maybe he understood what that was.  Maybe he didn't.  All I can say is people pushing that whole agenda should be very careful. 

There has been a whole movement called Antifa since Trump came to power which is dedicated to opposing the rise of fascism in America.

I do not support Antifa, but yes, across the internet there is a deep concern about America losing its democracy and turning into a fascistic state. That danger still looms. We can debate how real that danger is. But as we speak masked ICE agents are grabbing people off the streets based on their race. Trump is sending National Guard into cities for no legal reason. Trump is building his own private military forces. People are rightly concerned about that.

Yes, the political enviroment is heated and exaggerated things are said. Is Trump truly a fascist? It's a strech. It's more like a family resemblance. But times like these will have people using exaggerated terms because when the full fascism is here it will be too late to stop it.

You cannot just separate what Charlie Krik was doing from our political situation. He was not just some guy with opinions. He was a huge political actor in this situation and people will be pissed.

The more fascistic Trump gets the more violent blowback there will be against MAGA. That's how this works, like it or not.

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[Joshe]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Trump truly a fascist? It's a strech.

Trump himself may not be, because you have to be evolved enough to even have an ideology, but Trump is certainly in cahoots with and is doing the bidding of many fascists. This is a fact. 

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