What if you were stuck in “nothingness”?

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Why not join the military at this point? I heard of NDE people returning just to sign up 

Why? Because it puts you through suffering ?

[UnbornTao]

Well, the drugs sure aren't touching that sweet nothing! Nor do they increase consciousness. What they do is change one's state of mind.

Edited September 5 by UnbornTao

[Keryo Koffa]

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Very good reply. I am indeed stuck in this dream for maybe 100 years if I don’t awaken. But for now I don’t dislike it so it’s fine

Ego is something that is always afraid of something, so I don’t know if it would be afraid of loss  of all senses. If someone goes blind and feel fear , what is the fear about?🧐

Ego isn't just about fear, look what the fear is pointing towards.

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Why? Because it puts you through suffering ?

Sounds like a great way to get rid of ego, no?

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Keryo Koffa said:

Ego isn't just about fear, look what the fear is pointing towards.

Sounds like a great way to get rid of ego, no?

Fear is pointing towards something 

Suffering could potentially lessen ego. But for most I think it just lets it stay in the same neurosis

[Schizophonia]

13 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Very good reply.

Thanks, now my sleep is good my big baguette brain has more and more good ideas.

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I am indeed stuck in this dream for maybe 100 years if I don’t awaken. But for now I don’t dislike it so it’s fine

Ego is something that is always afraid of something,

No "Human" "ego" "can be" "afraid" of "something"

 

But "alien" "ego" "hsyio564654 '444" "dddd" "dxxXXXXXXXXX àà""...

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so I don’t know if it would be afraid of loss  of all senses.

If someone goes blind and feel fear , what is the fear about?🧐

Fear of being "castrated", being "less powerful than other human" and even "being hurt" because of that, but in nothingness they are no support even for fear. You need a support for fear, that's "something" "somewhere"

No need to be in nothingness btw you can castrate "fear" right now with drugs for example (benzos, opiates...)

Edited September 5 by Schizophonia

[Salariatu]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

Your point is that if you adopt a certain spiral paradigm and identity, that will color your trips and what you gain from them you will fit into your paradigm. So it’s limited experience?

In this world we have the pain in the ass the collective ego, is what we try to awaken from, this is what awakening is, society and it's ideals. So in reality you need a system to keep you sane. Let's say you forget all your life experience and the memory about it, you will go literally insane. What we have as a system that works is the breath and own image.

Dwelving into the insanity that you are all the consiousness of the universe, is just that, nothing natural there, it's another flaw system. Being God at first you will go through the path of what God is, from your perspective, reading about it will bring more perspectives, but in the end, no perspective is good, only breath and own image. What distracts you from yourself and you identify with something that is not you, will lead to spiritual pipe dreams, false awakening and false direction. 

 

As of now, i can't give someone an explanation of what awakening is, only what is not. And everyone who knows what i'm talking about will say the same. 

[Sugarcoat]

9 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Well, the drugs sure aren't touching that sweet nothing! Nor do they increase consciousness. What they do is change one's state of mind.

How do you know that?

[UnbornTao]

5 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

How do you know that?

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, UnbornTao said:

I know you’d not reply directly 

[Keryo Koffa]

9 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Fear is pointing towards something 

Suffering could potentially lessen ego. But for most I think it just lets it stay in the same neurosis

What is Discomfort?

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

I know you’d not reply directly 

Can't drink coffee within a dream to wake up from it.

Edited September 5 by UnbornTao

[Salariatu]

To wake up from ''the dream'' just spend time with yourself, own breath and own image until you wake up, is that simple. 

[cetus]

6 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I wonder how that would be. Would one go absolutely insane from that? Like imagine if all your senses would “turn off” but you still had your ego and was aware of that “nothingness”. Creepy right. 

That's the spirit! bang your ego up against that wall enough times and you'll have a true breakthrough, beyond all silly games. Do you dare??

Edited September 5 by cetus

[Eskilon]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Can't drink coffee within the dream to wake up from it.

Oh you definetly can. Read some salvia trip reports where a person experienced a whole life only to drink something weird or use some drug to wake up in this "reality". There are dreams within dreams... Let that sink in for a moment.

[UnbornTao]

13 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Oh you definetly can. Read some salvia trip reports where a person experienced a whole life only to drink something weird or use some drug to wake up in this "reality". There are dreams within dreams... Let that sink in for a moment.

Look into that. They're still phenomena occurring within perceptive experience. In the end, it's not much different from having a concussion, or meditating. The state change can be dramatic, but, by setting aside the expectations, beliefs, memory, and fantasy, often nothing has been realized. Certainly when the concussion, meditation or drug effects wear off, the insight doesn't vanish. You can have a breakthrough regardless of circumstances, and state is secondary to that. Being drunk doesn't make you less conscious of your nature. The point is that waking up isn't accomplished by events within the dreams - and everything is.

Edited September 5 by UnbornTao

[Hojo]

Thats what dying is. Its like being put on a timeout in a dark room that you cant move think hear or speak in. You cant look away and you have to sit there and deal with it. Eventuall you deal with it and respawn but you dont know when. So you come to a peaceful state where you just stop struggling and stare for infinite time.

You are stuck in nothingness right now you just can't handle it so you pretend something is here.

Edited September 6 by Hojo

[theleelajoker]

8 hours ago, Hojo said:

You are stuck in nothingness right now you just can't handle it so you pretend something is here.

That's how life feels for me sometimes.  We pretend so that we don't face what really is, because what really is is not desirable.

I also think Alan Watts said sth very similar once about the universe and avoiding boredom.

[theleelajoker]

9 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Oh you definetly can. Read some salvia trip reports where a person experienced a whole life only to drink something weird or use some drug to wake up in this "reality". There are dreams within dreams... Let that sink in for a moment.

I thought about that recently, the dreams within dreams. Like fractals patterns, just going deeper and deeper. Creating artificial realities within a existing dream.

Media is actually full of movies and series dealing with such ideas ,Rick and Morty is one thing, inception, bandersnatch, black mirror, 3 Body problem. So where did that "people" get the ideas for that? What's the source of creativity? Well, maybe it's because it's more real then our current culture tells us...

 

Edited September 6 by theleelajoker

[Sugarcoat]

12 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Fear of being "castrated", being "less powerful than other human" and even "being hurt" because of that, but in nothingness they are no support even for fear. You need a support for fear, that's "something" "somewhere"

No need to be in nothingness btw you can castrate "fear" right now with drugs for example (benzos, opiates...)

I don’t even know if awareness is possible in a state of no perception . But honestly I don’t really care. Sounds hypocritical since I wrote this thread. But sometimes there’s not much thought put into it

[Sugarcoat]

12 hours ago, Salariatu said:

In this world we have the pain in the ass the collective ego, is what we try to awaken from, this is what awakening is, society and it's ideals. So in reality you need a system to keep you sane. Let's say you forget all your life experience and the memory about it, you will go literally insane. What we have as a system that works is the breath and own image.

Dwelving into the insanity that you are all the consiousness of the universe, is just that, nothing natural there, it's another flaw system. Being God at first you will go through the path of what God is, from your perspective, reading about it will bring more perspectives, but in the end, no perspective is good, only breath and own image. What distracts you from yourself and you identify with something that is not you, will lead to spiritual pipe dreams, false awakening and false direction. 

 

As of now, i can't give someone an explanation of what awakening is, only what is not. And everyone who knows what i'm talking about will say the same. 

I’m not fully getting you but I think you’re pointing to something deep and might be coming from a different place than I am. 
 

I find you can do psychological/spiritual work to undo significant amount of societal conditioning. Some things will be left like for example the use of language in your brain. But undoing those things don’t guarantee awakening. Maybe one could awaken but still have societal conditioning