Christianity appears to suggest that I am God

[trenton]

I have been contemplating the religious themes that I saw in my dreams. There were various Christian themes such as seeing Jesus, a black abyss, a white light, and a sense of martyrdom in deep suffering intended to transform me. In the dream, I willing jumped into the abyss with confidence that although parts of me would break, there would be an unbroken essence which is my true nature. This true nature seems to be reflected in figures like Jesus, just like other spiritual masters who might point to it.

In the case of Jesus and Christianity, there is this concept of "Christ in you." It would be Jesus living on in us through the holy spirit. This got me thinking that if Jesus is in me and Jesus is my true nature, then what does that mean? Apparently, Jesus is held as God within the Christian religion. So, if Jesus is God, then that would mean that God is my true nature. If God is my true nature, then it means that I was never separate from love, truth, and the light because they were within me the entire time. The separation from God would be the illusion because it is impossible to be anything separate from God if that is who I am.

Right now I see how it would make sense to conclude that I am God, but I don't seem to fully understand the implications. It seems to include that I am intrinsically divine regardless of any external circumstances. It might be worth exploring what it means to be divine as well as other qualities of God if they are representative of my true nature.

Do you think Christianity suggests that You are God? If so, why? If not, then what does it mean that God is my true nature, but I am not God?

[Leo Gura]

Throw away Jesus and just be God.

Why are you wasting your time with imaginary middlemen?

Jesus is literally just a story in your head.

Edited yesterday at 05:58 PM by Leo Gura

[trenton]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Throw away Jesus and just be God.

Why are you wasting your time with imaginary middlemen?

Jesus is literally just a story in your head.

I understand. I don't need Jesus to be God so I don't need to depend on this other person.

[Leo Gura]

58 minutes ago, trenton said:

I understand. I don't need Jesus to be God so I don't need to depend on this other person.

Jesus is not even a person. He is a fantasy.

If Jesus was an actual person you knew, that would be okay. But he isn't that.

Edited yesterday at 07:07 PM by Leo Gura

[trenton]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Jesus is not even a person. He is a fantasy.

If Jesus was an actual person you knew, that would be okay. But he isn't that.

@Leo Gura I am aware of this problem, and I seem to have trouble shaking it. The reason I believe in Jesus is because when I went to school, my history teacher told me that Jesus was a real person and historians generally agree on this. At the same time, I know that this is hearsay and I did not meet Jesus personally, although I now believe he was real. It seems hard to separate this entanglement within my psyche.

That said, I do see how Jesus as he appeared in my dreams would be a fantasy rather than an actual person. I saw Jesus partially as a consequence of wanting redemption. This was primarily a psychological function as I also did not intellectually believe in the miracles Jesus was claimed to have been responsible for. Furthermore, Jesus appeared as a white man as depicted in church which supposedly was not real Jesus.

The way I resolve this in my mind is that I conclude that Jesus from my point of view is based on stories about a guy I never met, assuming he was real. Thus even if Jesus was real, in my experience his appearance and the attributes I assign to him are fantasy.

Is this good enough when I see the Jesus in my dreams as fantasy rather than actual Jesus?

[Hojo]

Jesus is the symbol of God you are introduced too. God dosent have a symbol so you can use Jesus or what the hell are you focusing on. We see Jesus when we are babies and our parents say its the holy man. That symbol is linked to the qualia.

You can use the symbol just don't assume you know him. Its just a symbol for holy man. You think of it you get the qualia.

Edited yesterday at 08:25 PM by Hojo

[Salariatu]

Being God is something lower than true enlightenment or awakening.

Those who realized that, they realized what is common, or what is known by humanity, about knowing yourself. Is identifying yourself with all the consciousness of the living in the universe, so by doing that you are not more you, you are in a certain percentage what is dictated by that consciousness and this thing of Being God comes from the egoic human consciousness.

In other words there is more than the self, there is more to it, people in spirituality bought the idea that humans are Gods, is just an egoic idea and from the perspective of the ego and a dormant state, when you trip on DMT, weed or any other drug, you will only grasp the egoic consciousness, because you are living this lie that God is you or God is a manifestation of you and in the end that manifestation you call it universal consciousness that want to experience, all this in itself is egoic, does not have to do with GOD nor Enlightenment, is what humankind knows, more than this cannot be shown to little people.

The thing to do here is go and awaken, spend months, years meditation, after that if you still conceptualize what God is, you did not get it. So, it takes more that believing you are God and Enlightened, You need a better software, a better system for you to graps reality. 

For more info, let me a message. Because this forum thinks it got it, concept wise, but it didn'r.

 

[Flowerfaeiry]

The Bible says we are made in God’s image but not that we are God. Seeing yourself as God is limited spirituality in my experience. But that’s not really something you can fully grasp when you’re still in that type of mindset.

[Aaron p]

Yo just saying, check out the "Lorenzo Snow couplet" statement from Mormonism. Just interesting that it exists.

[LordFall]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Jesus is not even a person. He is a fantasy.

If Jesus was an actual person you knew, that would be okay. But he isn't that.

Do you not believe in the historical evidence of Jesus as being a true figure and the works he's done or are you making a different point? 

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Do you not believe in the historical evidence of Jesus as being a true figure and the works he's done or are you making a different point? 

True spirituality cannot be based in beliefs.

Jesus is a belief.

[Inliytened1]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Throw away Jesus and just be God.

 

This is just as advanced as bringing in the infinity of Gods into your logical proofs of God.  One must first be willing to entertain possibilities other than Christianity.  Then one can even begin to inquire into what is reality, what is Truth, and what am I.  

Edited 17 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

10 hours ago, trenton said:

I have been contemplating the religious themes that I saw in my dreams. There were various Christian themes such as seeing Jesus, a black abyss, a white light, and a sense of martyrdom in deep suffering intended to transform me. In the dream, I willing jumped into the abyss with confidence that although parts of me would break, there would be an unbroken essence which is my true nature. This true nature seems to be reflected in figures like Jesus, just like other spiritual masters who might point to it.

In the case of Jesus and Christianity, there is this concept of "Christ in you." It would be Jesus living on in us through the holy spirit. This got me thinking that if Jesus is in me and Jesus is my true nature, then what does that mean? Apparently, Jesus is held as God within the Christian religion. So, if Jesus is God, then that would mean that God is my true nature. If God is my true nature, then it means that I was never separate from love, truth, and the light because they were within me the entire time. The separation from God would be the illusion because it is impossible to be anything separate from God if that is who I am.

Right now I see how it would make sense to conclude that I am God, but I don't seem to fully understand the implications. It seems to include that I am intrinsically divine regardless of any external circumstances. It might be worth exploring what it means to be divine as well as other qualities of God if they are representative of my true nature.

Do you think Christianity suggests that You are God? If so, why? If not, then what does it mean that God is my true nature, but I am not God?

Christianity is a belief as @Leo Gura points out.  All religions are beliefs.  They do not understand that true spirituality collapses the distinction between subject and object or self and other.  They cannot conceive of this.  To them, other is God. Jesus is other.   Their concept of you being a part of Jesus is just that - concept. You must first grasp the difference between concept and actuality. Something religion doesn't yet understand.   

Edited 17 hours ago by Inliytened1

[UnbornTao]

In the end, what's believed is irrelevant and is different from the truth. 

Are you conscious of who you are?

Do that first.

[trenton]

7 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

In the end, what's believed is irrelevant and is different from the truth. 

Are you conscious of who you are?

Do that first.

The closest thing I can experience to who I am appears to just be consciousness. There does not seem to be any mind blowing God realization outside of neutral awareness on which there is content both pleasant and unpleasant. Presently, I don't see any Love, Truth, or non-dual awareness. I see the physical world and a deep not knowing and not needing. I have seen that there is no intellectual framework that can cover this deep uncertainty and I just sit with not knowing. Therefore, from my point of view I am experiencing something very mundane and as it stands everything I hear about God realization appears to be more stories.