The Second Most Absurd Idea in Spirituality: “God Must Experience Everything”

[rudirotbart]

The idea that “God must experience everything, otherwise God isn’t infinite” completely collapses under scrutiny. Infinity, by definition, lacks nothing. All possibilities are already included within it. To say that Infinity must go enact each possibility is to confuse potential with necessity. Infinity doesn’t need to do something in order to remain infinite — it already is.

And here is the real trick: framing it as a “must” is exactly the ego’s defense mechanism. By turning Infinity into an obligation, the ego makes spirituality sound terrifying. “You’ll have to experience horror, you’ll have to be tortured, you’ll have to annihilate yourself.” This keeps the seeker identified with fear, clinging to the ego as the supposed “protector.” Instead of dissolving, the ego grows stronger, because the truth has been reframed as something unbearable.

So the teaching achieves the opposite of its stated purpose: it doesn’t liberate people from ego, it entrenches them in it. If God were truly forced to act out every horror, then God would not be free, and therefore not God at all. The whole notion is incoherent — and worse, it’s weaponized by the ego to perpetuate itself.

The truth is simple: Infinity is free. It includes all possibilities, but is never compelled to enact them. Fulfillment and love dissolve the ego naturally, without the need for threats of horror.

 

[Hojo]

Here's the deal with that. You say you dont want it you get it. The more you struggle against it the more you identify with it, thats the path. You dont have to want it your fear will create it for you. You dont have to do it but you will do it. God is not identifying with anything therefore it is all accepting.

Thats how God knows where to go by saying not that. You liberate yourself from fear by engaging with the fear in your mind. God is training you to be a God. A God is not attached the fear of this being true is an attachment. Not hearing someone say it. You repeat it in your mind and then on here because in your mind its something you are scared of.

Inevitably you will get scared of something and create it as you mind wipe yourself between lives and forget you are God. You might not have to live every bad thing but that depends on how well you know yourself as nothing.

If something bad happens in your life you will start thinking about it alot and get more and more upset and your vibration will go down in channels. You are dreaming and you are creator and what happens happens because of you doing it unconciously. You can do it consciously and that means not reacting.

You can look at fear by thinking of what makes you scared. The main fear is dying because its something you cannot run from. All fears come from the fear of dying. If you are scared of infinte torture think about it consciously and don't react. You are interacting with your imagination and when you say no to your imagination thats what its identifying with. If you let it bring something to your attention and it scares you that means you are scared of your infinite imagination and block yourself from thinking about it. When you do that you are hurting your imagination and that thing will get bigger than your imagination then possibly project into reality.

Edited August 30 by Hojo

[Salariatu]

People have no idea what God is, that's why they conceptualize it like that. They just had egoic awakenings, went deeper in the matrix sadly. 

[Princess Arabia]

I saw the flaw in that a while back and i still see people talking about that just recently. I just ignore it. Who's gonna listen to me. We're not even experiencing anything as experience is an illusion. Who's going to relate to that. Experience requires separation and there is none. People will just explain away how this is possible and concoct up some rational, logical idea on how this is possible. It is, but only as a dream.

[enchanted]

8 hours ago, rudirotbart said:

The idea that “God must experience everything, otherwise God isn’t infinite” completely collapses under scrutiny. Infinity, by definition, lacks nothing. All possibilities are already included within it. To say that Infinity must go enact each possibility is to confuse potential with necessity. Infinity doesn’t need to do something in order to remain infinite — it already is.

And here is the real trick: framing it as a “must” is exactly the ego’s defense mechanism. By turning Infinity into an obligation, the ego makes spirituality sound terrifying. “You’ll have to experience horror, you’ll have to be tortured, you’ll have to annihilate yourself.” This keeps the seeker identified with fear, clinging to the ego as the supposed “protector.” Instead of dissolving, the ego grows stronger, because the truth has been reframed as something unbearable.

So the teaching achieves the opposite of its stated purpose: it doesn’t liberate people from ego, it entrenches them in it. If God were truly forced to act out every horror, then God would not be free, and therefore not God at all. The whole notion is incoherent — and worse, it’s weaponized by the ego to perpetuate itself.

The truth is simple: Infinity is free. It includes all possibilities, but is never compelled to enact them. Fulfillment and love dissolve the ego naturally, without the need for threats of horror.

 

Great post.

How would you explain horror then? Because your post is describing what people usually do to explain horrors. What's your explanation for why horrors happen? 

Edited August 31 by enchanted

[Davino]

Just to have some context, how was the moment you became Infinity? How did that happen?

13 hours ago, rudirotbart said:

The idea that “God must experience everything, otherwise God isn’t infinite” completely collapses under scrutiny. Infinity, by definition, lacks nothing. All possibilities are already included within it. To say that Infinity must go enact each possibility is to confuse potential with necessity. Infinity doesn’t need to do something in order to remain infinite — it already is.

 

But then, if God hadn't experienced all of itself, wouldn't that make it limited in that dimension and therefore not Absolute Infinity?

13 hours ago, rudirotbart said:

And here is the real trick: framing it as a “must” is exactly the ego’s defense mechanism. By turning Infinity into an obligation, the ego makes spirituality sound terrifying. “You’ll have to experience horror, you’ll have to be tortured, you’ll have to annihilate yourself.” This keeps the seeker identified with fear, clinging to the ego as the supposed “protector.” Instead of dissolving, the ego grows stronger, because the truth has been reframed as something unbearable.

So the teaching achieves the opposite of its stated purpose: it doesn’t liberate people from ego, it entrenches them in it. If God were truly forced to act out every horror, then God would not be free, and therefore not God at all. The whole notion is incoherent — and worse, it’s weaponized by the ego to perpetuate itself.

Yes, that's an important trap to point out.

On the other hand, there is the opposite trap which is the fear from the ego to experience all of Reality. It resists some experiences and hence creates a metaphysical narrative to explain why Infinity doesn't entail to experience all of Reality, despite existence being all of Reality. Maybe actually reality is not totally free because it is bound to be itself.

14 hours ago, rudirotbart said:

The truth is simple: Infinity is free. It includes all possibilities, but is never compelled to enact them. Fulfillment and love dissolve the ego naturally, without the need for threats of horror.

Yes, love is the answer. The reason why Reality can be all horrors is because it loves horrors as they are the very being of God, as everything is. It's free to be all horrors, it's free from control, God loves it all because it is itself doing it and being it.

[Davino]

The post is quite good and there's something as Infinity of just pure potential, but I'm trying to push you into Higher Infinities.

[Schizophonia]

36 minutes ago, Davino said:

 

Yes, love is the answer. The reason why Reality can be all horrors is because it loves horrors as they are the very being of God, as everything is. It's free to be all horrors, it's free from control, God loves it all because it is itself doing it and being it.

Maybe christians are right and you have been fooled by demonic psychedelics. 

There is something that seems really sus/incomplete in this conclusion, one can feel it in it's heart.

Edited August 31 by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

Do you ever be curious how torture feels

What do you mean

edit : i read conscious instead of curious

Edited August 31 by Schizophonia

[Ishanga]

@rudirotbart I would say "God/Absolute" allows all Possibility to be Explored, not that it "Has" to happen but its Possible to Happen..

The determining factor is Free Will, or Your Ability to Respond, which Human have to most capability but few explore this today.

That is why we have this thing called Spirituality, so we can explore it, Free Will, an ability to control how we are within ourselves and the consequence that result from that..

I believe if we are highly Conscious, more empowering experiences result, Peace, Happiness, Bliss are more natural for Us, and in these states Dis Empowering Life Actions don't come out of it, things like war, torture, corruption, cruelty etc...

Since the ppl of this world are not highly Conscious imo, we have what we have, war and suffering everywhere, from the most wealthy nations to the poorest, its crazy on top of crazy and its getting worse..

The funny thing is those doing the most to change this, to raise Human Consciousness, get coitized for it, which is beyond Me.

 Ego, false Identifications, Intellectual addiction rules, and because of this Crazy is the theme of the World!

[Sugarcoat]

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

What do you mean

edit : i read conscious instead of curious

Ofc I wouldn’t wanna experience it

[strangelooper]

my life is pretty hellish and fillled with pointless suffering. I think you might be wrong

[Sugarcoat]

21 minutes ago, strangelooper said:

my life is pretty hellish and fillled with pointless suffering. I think you might be wrong

Hugs 

[Eskilon]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

Ofc I wouldn’t wanna experience it

Why not？Do you love your little self?

[Sugarcoat]

12 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Why not？Do you love your little self?

I removed my original comment but there i said “have you ever been curious about how torture feels”, and no I wouldn’t wanna experience torture, the vast majority of humans wouldn’t want that. Why ? Because it’s unimaginable suffering , who wants that? It’s not about loving the self it’s about pain being painful 

[rudirotbart]

The confusion here comes from equating freedom with compulsion. If Infinity were obligated to enact every possibility, it would cease to be free and therefore cease to be God. Potential does not require enactment; it is already present by being possible. A painter doesn’t become less of an artist because she hasn’t used every color in existence — the fact that she could is enough.

Horror, suffering, and all so-called “negative” experiences exist as possibilities within Infinity, but they are not mandates. They arise when consciousness unconsciously crystallizes them, not because God is metaphysically forced into them. Freedom means exactly this: the power to choose beauty without being shackled to horror.

The claim that avoiding horror is an attachment is itself an ego-trick. Only the ego would redefine God’s freedom as bondage. Infinity that must torture itself in order to be whole is no Infinity at all — it’s a prison dressed up as mysticism.

Real spirituality is not about finding ways to terrify yourself into surrender. It is about seeing that love and fulfillment are the natural dissolvers of ego. Fear is not a requirement; it is a misunderstanding.

 

[Eskilon]

26 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I removed my original comment but there i said “have you ever been curious about how torture feels”, and no I wouldn’t wanna experience torture, the vast majority of humans wouldn’t want that. Why ? Because it’s unimaginable suffering , who wants that? It’s not about loving the self it’s about pain being painful 

Well, see this.

Say I kidnap you and we go to my torture chambers. If I really tortured you, there will come a point where you will beg for me to stop, and you will cry and implore for me to return you to your life. Even if your life is average, and you are a cynic(not saying this is the case just an example lol), an egotist, and you have financial problems, you will beg for me to return you to your average life. In this begging, the burried love is revealed.

Avoidance of pain is subconscious love. Love doesn't need to be hot(like in an orgarsm or psychedelic experience), love can be subtle, and it can even be hidden and unconscious. Most people does not experience hot love in daily life(like I imagine an awakened person experience) but I would say most experience unconscious love, which is basically fear and avoidance of pain lol.

Edited August 31 by Eskilon

[Sugarcoat]

2 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Well, see this.

Say I kidnap you and we go to my torture chambers. If I really tortured you, there will come a point where you will beg for me to stop, and you will cry and implore for me to return you to your life. Even if your life is average, and you are a cynic(not saying this is the case just an example lol), an egotist, and you have financial problems, you will beg for me to return you to your average life. In this begging, the burried love is revealed.

 

I would just call that avoidance of pain

2 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Avoidance of pain is subconscious love. Love doesn't need to be hot(like in an orgarsm or psychedelic experience), love can be subtle, and it can even be hidden and unconscious. Most people does not experience hot love in daily life(like I imagine an awakened person experience) but I would say most experience unconscious love, which is basically fear and avoidance of pain lol.

I see avoidance of pain and seeking of happiness as two distinct forces. 

[Xonas Pitfall]

On 8/30/2025 at 9:21 PM, rudirotbart said:

The idea that “God must experience everything, otherwise God isn’t infinite” completely collapses under scrutiny. Infinity, by definition, lacks nothing. All possibilities are already included within it. To say that Infinity must go enact each possibility is to confuse potential with necessity. Infinity doesn’t need to do something in order to remain infinite — it already is.

And here is the real trick: framing it as a “must” is exactly the ego’s defense mechanism. By turning Infinity into an obligation, the ego makes spirituality sound terrifying. “You’ll have to experience horror, you’ll have to be tortured, you’ll have to annihilate yourself.” This keeps the seeker identified with fear, clinging to the ego as the supposed “protector.” Instead of dissolving, the ego grows stronger, because the truth has been reframed as something unbearable.

So the teaching achieves the opposite of its stated purpose: it doesn’t liberate people from ego, it entrenches them in it. If God were truly forced to act out every horror, then God would not be free, and therefore not God at all. The whole notion is incoherent — and worse, it’s weaponized by the ego to perpetuate itself.

The truth is simple: Infinity is free. It includes all possibilities, but is never compelled to enact them. Fulfillment and love dissolve the ego naturally, without the need for threats of horror.

No, this is an illogical contradiction. Infinity is all; therefore, it is all. All exists. It’s really not much “deeper” than that, but experientially, it’s overwhelming haha.

When Leo or we say “God must experience,” it’s just semantics; you can define it better.

You have a set of all 10 numbers. That must mean 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 are included, and they must be. If they weren’t, then the set “all 10 numbers” wouldn’t be a set of all 10 numbers.

The same goes for infinity. Infinity means it has all, therefore freedom and restriction, horrors and goodness, self and lack of it, etc.

If infinity couldn’t contain horrors or wouldn’t want them, then it would be limited by that, and it wouldn’t be infinite or free. (Again, when I say these human things like “want to” or “experience this,” it’s anthropomorphizing infinity.) Infinity is much more “impersonal” in that way. You can think of it more as a necessity or tautology.

That’s really it! 

[Xonas Pitfall]

3 hours ago, strangelooper said:

my life is pretty hellish and fillled with pointless suffering. I think you might be wrong

Hugs!