Why are the political commentators so annoying?

[Elliott]

Terrorism hurts Palestine, Hamas hurts Palestine. Terrorism will not help in the slightest, Israel can wipe out Palestine and terrorism gives them legitimacy to do so.

The only possible course for Palestinian success is diplomacy, no matter how many failed attempts. And I don't mean diplomacy with Israel, global diplomacy, they need more allies. The recent Gaza protests in the U.S. should have happened before October 7th.

Palestine needs to overthrow Hamas.

Edited August 25 by Elliott

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Terrorism hurts Palestine, Hamas hurts Palestine. Terrorism will not help in the slightest, Israel can wipe out Palestine and terrorism gives them legitimacy to do so.

The only possible course for Palestinian success is diplomacy, no matter how many failed attempts. And I don't mean diplomacy with Israel, global diplomacy, they need more allies. The recent Gaza protests in the U.S. should have happened before October 7th.

Palestine needs to overthrow Hamas.

Agreed and Israel needs to overthrow Bibi his people, and throw the settlers into jail. And stop supporting Hamas etc.

[Hardkill]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Fanbases are not made of moderates.

True. 

I, of course, am primarily for progressivism and liberalism. However, I also understand the need for centrism in the country.

So, is the only way to energize moderates and centrists through some kind of crisis that forces them to push back against the excesses and dysfunction of extremism?

Or does there need to be a powerful centrist movement that can unify the country and restore a sense of normal, functional politics?

[PurpleTree]

On 2025-08-25 at 4:00 AM, Leo Gura said:

There is a kind of obnoxious arrogance and self-righteousness among many leftists.

Cenk, Hasan, Destiny, Kyle, Vaush, etc. It sells to their most hardcore base. It's like throwing red meat to the leftist base. The more subdued and mature voices don't gain mass popularity.

Sane, moderate voices don't get millions of views.

It’s funny i was just listening to Kyle Kulinski (until it got too annoying)

and he claimed to have autism.

I know Hasan claims to have autism and i think Destiny too.

Pakman also seems on the spectrum.

[Elliott]

On 8/25/2025 at 3:56 PM, Hardkill said:

True. 

I, of course, am primarily for progressivism and liberalism. However, I also understand the need for centrism in the country.

So, is the only way to energize moderates and centrists through some kind of crisis that forces them to push back against the excesses and dysfunction of extremism?

Or does there need to be a powerful centrist movement that can unify the country and restore a sense of normal, functional politics?

Moderates moderate, Trump goes too far like 2020 they vote him out so long as the other party doesn't run on defunding the police or government control of business or private property.

Edited August 28 by Elliott

[Leo Gura]

On 8/26/2025 at 4:29 PM, PurpleTree said:

It’s funny i was just listening to Kyle Kulinski (until it got too annoying)

and he claimed to have autism.

I know Hasan claims to have autism and i think Destiny too.

Pakman also seems on the spectrum.

No, they are just obnoxious on their own. Except for Pakman, he is fine.

It's not autism, it's egotism.

When you speak for a living on YT, especially doing criticism, it slowly poisons your mind.

Edited August 28 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No, they are just obnoxious on their own. Except for Pakman, he is fine.

It's not autism, it's egotism.

When you speak for a living on YT, especially doing criticism, it slowly poisons your mind.

They claim that they doing it as part of the left wing or progressive movement and are holding both corporate Dems and Republicans accountable. They also pressure progressive politicians to fight hard.

Yet, how should they criticize centrist/establishment Dems without causing Trump and the right-wing to win too many elections?

Edited August 28 by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

50 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

how should they criticize centrist/establishment Dems

In an intelligent, mature, and self-aware way -- which they are incapable of.

They can only behave up to the level of their cognitive and moral development.

Edited August 28 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

40 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

In an intelligent, mature, and self-aware way -- which they are incapable of.

They can only behave up to the level of their cognitive and moral development.

So, it should be more like Pakman or the Pod Save America bros.

[Karmadhi]

45 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

In an intelligent, mature, and self-aware way -- which they are incapable of.

They can only behave up to the level of their cognitive and moral development.

What do you think of Mehdi Hasan? 

To me he is the best out of the leftist people in terms of articulation, debating skills and overall moral development

Also pretty relaxed compared to Cenk or Destiny that get super emotional and childish

He is definetly stage green but I have not seen from him a lot of the toxic components of Green which you can see in some other commentators

He seem pretty grounded, healthy Green

The Jubilee debate where he argued against 20 far right Americans showed it

Crazy restraint from him considering how insulted he got on his face

 

Edited August 28 by Karmadhi

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Except for Pakman, he is fine.

Except being a zionist and not seeing a problem with Aipac. Also i find Pakman kind of snobbish annoying. But to each their own. Otherwise he’s ok.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Hardkill said:

So, it should be more like Pakman or the Pod Save America bros.

In terms of style, yes. We are distinguishing here between style of delivery vs policy.

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Except being a zionist and not seeing a problem with Aipac. Also i find Pakman kind of snobbish annoying. But to each their own. Otherwise he’s ok.

Is he a Zionist? I wasn't aware. I haven't watched him in a long time. I don't recall ever hearing his full views on Palestine.

Edited August 28 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Karmadhi said:

What do you think of Mehdi Hasan?

He's pretty good but he's also got a problematic debate-bro facet. He's too eager to win debates rather than truth-seeking and sense-making. This limits his understanding. The goal is not own people in debates. This is childish. He's a bit too distracted by that.

Medhi has a kind of obnoxious element to him, like he's trying too hard to win arguments. Like his ego feeds off it. But he makes many very solid arguments.

But with all these leftists, they are still fundamentally paradigm locked. They are missing Tier 2 understanding of politics.

Edited August 28 by Leo Gura

[Karmadhi]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He's pretty good but he's also got a problematic debate-bro facet. He's too eager to win debates rather than truth-seeking and sense-making. This limits his understanding. The goal is not own people in debates. This is childish. He's a bit too distracted by that.

Medhi has a kind of obnoxious element to him, like he's trying too hard to win arguments. Like his ego feeds off it. But he makes many very solid arguments.

But with all these leftists, they are still fundamentally paradigm locked. They are missing Tier 2 understanding of politics.

They resonate to me a lot

How do I grow out of it?

I live in a pretty green place and if there is no green, it is orange and blue

Yellow is hard to get to

Your content is possibly the only yellow I have in my life and even in this forum most do not seem yellow to me

I must confes when I started watching your content 5 years ago (during first lockdown) I was pretty orange with some green and a bit of blue. But an orange center of gravity. Now I would say my center of gravity is green with some orange and veryyyy little blue

I really find Spiral dynamics and all these models interesting so that is the yellow in me

However it is hard for me to apply it in real life outside simply putting people in categories 

And even then sometimes a blue/orange actor can trigger me more than a red or blue actor which is fundamentally still green mindset with yellow knowldege

Edited August 28 by Karmadhi

[PurpleTree]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

Is he a Zionist? I wasn't aware. I haven't watched him in a long time. I don't recall ever hearing his full views on Palestine.

He stopped talking about it mostly because his audience has a totally different view. Which i also think is a bit cowardly if you have those views don’t hide them it’s ok. And he doesn’t have videos talking about Aipac etc. While Kile, Breaking Points talk about it all the time.

[PurpleTree]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He's pretty good but he's also got a problematic debate-bro facet. He's too eager to win debates rather than truth-seeking and sense-making. This limits his understanding. The goal is not own people in debates. This is childish. He's a bit too distracted by that.

Medhi has a kind of obnoxious element to him, like he's trying too hard to win arguments. Like his ego feeds off it. But he makes many very solid arguments.

But with all these leftists, they are still fundamentally paradigm locked. They are missing Tier 2 understanding of politics.

And he’s religious (Muslim) which is silly imo especially as a leftist otherwise he’s fun.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

They resonate to me a lot

That's fine. It's a phase. I've been there.

9 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

They resonate to me a lot

How do I grow out of it?

Read the political books on my book list. Question the idealistic dogmas of progressivism.

The way to transcend Green progressivism is to realize how utopian and unrealistic their ideas are. You can realize this by deeply studying human nature to see that human nature is much more regressive and conservative than progressives imagine. Basically, study survival deeper and deeper until you understand why conservatism is necessary.

The better you understand human nature and how power works, the more you will see that progressive ideas are pie-in-the-sky. As one example, not voting for Kamala just because Biden was funding Israel was a very stupid progressive way of thinking. Because now with Trump Palestine is dead. A more realistic view of power and human nature would have revealed this to you ahead of time.

Edited August 28 by Leo Gura

[Karmadhi]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Read the political books on my book list. Question the idealistic dogmas of progressivism.

 

Noted!

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The way to transcend Green progressivism is to realize how utopian and unrealistic their ideas are. You can realize this by deeply studying human nature to see that human nature is much more regressive and conservative than progressives imagine. Basically, study survival deeper and deeper until you understand why conservatism is necessary.

 

Thing is that I do understand it intellectually, but still emotionally I tend to see it as bad or unevolved in a way. Like I assign a value to it. Your videos have helped a lot. What angers me the most are double standards and hypocrisy

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

As one example, not voting for Kamala just because Biden was funding Israel was a very stupid progressive way of thinking. Because now with Trump Palestine is dead. A more realistic view of power and human nature would have revealed this to you ahead of ti

I agree with you on that. I told even others who were shitting on Biden about that, that Trump will be way worse. I think not voting for Kamala and choosing Trump is not even being too green, it is just stupid. Trump is cryptonite to Green.

[Daniel Balan]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's fine. It's a phase. I've been there.

Read the political books on my book list. Question the idealistic dogmas of progressivism.

The way to transcend Green progressivism is to realize how utopian and unrealistic their ideas are. You can realize this by deeply studying human nature to see that human nature is much more regressive and conservative than progressives imagine. Basically, study survival deeper and deeper until you understand why conservatism is necessary.

The better you understand human nature and how power works, the more you will see that progressive ideas are pie-in-the-sky. As one example, not voting for Kamala just because Biden was funding Israel was a very stupid progressive way of thinking. Because now with Trump Palestine is dead. A more realistic view of power and human nature would have revealed this to you ahead of time.

This could be summed up as: Drop idealism. Idealism is what gets people like Navalny in Russia killed. Being too progressive and idealist in a backward society as the one I live in could really get me killed if I'm not careful. I'd argue that the best reality check for progressives is spending half a year in Russia or Eastern Europe. That experience alone will cure them for life of their idealism and their fantasies. When you tell progressives that they should be dropped in a war zone with no way back home, that's literally the best advice a progressive needs. 
 

Also progressives have a very childish understanding of politics. Most progressives think that if AOC were president all the corruption and the theft of the public finances would be fixed over night. The president can't do nothing unless he has 50% of the parliament in line with his vision, and the parliament is the direct reflection of the citizenry. The same people believe that if Putin would die, Russia will suddenly become democratic and stop the Ukraine war and turn in a liberal democracy. The fundamental fact that progressives don't understand is that over 80% of the Russian public deeply support a leader like Putin. So if he dies there won't be a democratic liberal Russia. There is no such thing that Putin is ruling Russia by his own whims, he is just the front cover, there is a vast network of powerful oligarchs that own key industries in Russia, the whole giant group of oligarchs rule Russia, not a single man. That single man, who is now Putin, even if he wanted to have a form of government that is less corrupt, he couldn't do that because he would be killed instantly. Because the Russian society as a whole is so backward, even if a new group would take power in Russia that consisted of a million people that are not corrupt, those would be literally killed by the corrupt mob and oust them from power, because the corrupt mob consists of 130 million people. Progressives need to understand that in order to meaningfully change a society, you need over 60% of the citizenry to be aligned with non corrupt and high consciousness policies in order to have those policies be put in effect. To have a liberal Russia you'd need to replace 130 million backward Russians with 130 million liberal Russians, not by hoping that a more liberal group of people rule Russia. The same principle applies to all countries. I just gave Russia as an example. Society changes when the development level of the society evolves, not when you elect a president. The president is a mere public functionary, he is not God or a witch that could wave a magic wand that evolves hundreds of millions of backward humans. 

Edited August 28 by Daniel Balan

[PurpleTree]

Not a fan of Greenwald

but Pakman in a bit of a scandal right now.