Why are the political commentators so annoying?

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

So you think that the conflict is equal on both sides then. Both sides have a point and both sides have flaws

Israel shouldn't exist, that doesn't mean Palestine should turn to terrorism.

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

You wouldn't say that the Jews should have formed an army against Hitler during the holocaust. You would just say yeah it was a tragic thing that happened to an innocent people 

Palestine is a nation, with military, a country that was invaded, very different than the Holocaust. Although when jews found out about the holocaust happening, of course they should have taken up arms against the nazis, and garnered international support, what would they have to lose?

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

I don't think Palestine is done for. Palestine has been around for a lot longer than the fake country built on a faulty foundation. Can you prove that Palestine is done for? You are just talking in circles with no true understanding of the situation 

Absolutely, you crying about genocide is proof they're done for, why else are you crying online about it if it isn't true. Who's going to stop israel?

[Nivsch]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There are protests, but the Zionist nature of the Israeli state will not be changed by such protests. The vast majority of Israelis are proud brainwashed Zionists and approve of the government's actions.

This is not a case of Israel being hijacked by a small extremist faction. Zionism is the very basis of the Israeli state, so they cannot stop doing it or their society would unravel. It's not just a problem of government, it's a fundamentally sick ethnocentric culture. The government is an outgrowth of a wrong culture.

This is a wrong extrapolation of what Israelis actually think and based on. Most Israelis have been educated according to Zionism, but define Zionism in very different ways.

Whereas conservatives thinks of Zionism as the right of Jews to settle at this land as superior to the right of Palestinians (a problem, not denied), the Liberal education other, more developed sectors have been going through is that Zionism is just the aspiration of Jews to have their own land and be independent from others, when they also aspire to live in peace with their neighbors including Palestinians. How do I know that? Because I live inside this sector for decades.

The fact Israel is based on ethnicity is precisely and paradoxically what makes it exceptionally diverse, due to its function as a melting pot for Jews from all over the world, originate in vastly difference cultures and locations and holding vastly different value systems.

Weekly surveys from the last year show consistently that what the government is doing during all this year and especially these days is supported by a minority of Israelis.

The sensitive situation of Netanyahu with his trial and the way our political method works,makes the most extreme sectors to be also the most powerful in leading the direction of this war, so basically the minority IS hijacking the country right now.

Edited Monday at 07:25 AM by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

40 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

the Liberal education other, more developed sectors have been going through is that Zionism is just the aspiration of Jews to have their own land and be independent on others, when they also aspire to live in piece with their neighbors including Palestinians. How do I know that? Because I live inside this sector for decades.

Liberal Zionism is still just as problematic because it masks the ugly reality of ethnic cleansing in a veil of politeness and niceness.

Something like 80% of Israelis support this ethnic cleansing project in practice, which is why it continues.

"Just the aspiration to have the own land" = 70 years of ethnic cleansing.

Liberals in Israel are like liberals in America who supported the Iraq War and war on terror.

A liberal Zionist is in a sense less honest than a right-wing Zionist because the right-wing Zionist knows and accepts that ethnic cleansing is what this project involves while the liberal Zionist lies to himself about it.

For far too long liberal Zionists have given cover for the crimes of the hardcore Zionists who carry out the dirty business.

Sorry, but it's time to stop kidding each other about what Zionism really involves.

Edited Monday at 07:18 AM by Leo Gura

[Nivsch]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Liberal Zionism is still just as problematic because it masks the ugly reality of ethnic cleansing in a veil of politeness and niceness.

But it tries all the time during the last three decades to get to agreements that will stop the settlements expansion. From Rabin to Barak, through Sharon and Olmert. Even Netanyahu said in 2011 that we need two states for two nations, and we know Netanyahu is the biggest opportunistic who always try to talk to the dominant sentiment of Israelis of the time.

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Something like 80% of Israelis support this ethnic cleansing project in practice, which is why it continues.

This is very tricky these days because all the emotions are now shifted after oct7, and in a sense fear has taken place greatly from the second intifada and suicide bombings. Yet, I have never seen a survey shows most Israelis support the settlements expansion.

[Twentyfirst]

On 9/1/2025 at 10:39 AM, Nivsch said:

This is very tricky these days because all the emotions are now shifted after oct7, and in a sense fear has taken place greatly from the second intifada and suicide bombings. Yet, I have never seen a survey shows most Israelis support the settlements expansion.

As long as you guys are collectively deciding to do what you have been doing. You will always live in fear. Once you have children the minute they are born is the same minute there is some crazed lunatic in some cave somewhere in the region trying to figure out how to hunt down your baby to annihilate it. If you want war then war is what you will get. Stop being a victim. You know the game you are entering and playing. And no it's not "beCaUzZze i JuuwEsH". It's because your society is doing very very bad things with no signs of stopping 

You are a fool for taking "surveys' as the highest measure of truth meanwhile your society is building on top of the 22% remainder of land that was stolen from them

You have to wake up from your dream.

Edited Tuesday at 07:16 PM by Twentyfirst

[carterfelder]

On 8/22/2025 at 2:05 PM, PurpleTree said:

But he is a russian propagandist no?

Tim Pool the Russian Tool?

Tim Tool the Russian Stool?

Just sharing this video Tim Pool has recently uploaded explaining the whole Russian smear campaign against him. Tim doesn't like Putin. I won't keep bringing him up or sharing his videos out of respect for Leo's rules here. Sorry for doing so in the past.

https://youtu.be/L1BLaRSL0WQ?si=UpuLSHg4idF6Sotx