The Reason Why None of You are Enlightened!

[Ishanga]

Its really simple, You all talk or write too much!

Enlightenment yes is a word we use to describe a certain state of Potential, Positive Potential that is, and from I have witnessed here on this forum, most all of You are not even close to any sort of that Potential.

The constant Questioning, the constant Asking, the Constant Replying, the Constant Debating over and over again says allot..

Silence is the key, I am still learning this skill but at the least I am learning.

Why do I care?  Because this place is supposed to a bit more Enlightened that most other places, and it is not, and my goal other that my own Enlightenment is too see others do the same so that this place we call Earth is better overall for all that are living here, Human or otherwise!

Yes this place possesses some information, data, words upon words, concepts over concepts, that may help a beginner, but the ones that post here the most are not Beginners, they are supposed to be way beyond that but its obvious that You are not, if You have to continually debate and explain the same things over and over again, or continue to share You unique concepts with the world (they are not unique in any way by the way! that is just Your Ego by which Your supposed to over with by now)..

Enlightened People Laugh more, watch more, listen more than anyone does around Here, so just a heads up, if You think this place is an Enlightened Place it is not..

This is not too say that Leo has nothing to offer, I would say he is for sure more Enlightened that 99.9999999% of everyone that posts here on a regular basis, but he needs you guys to feed off of in many ways, that's okay as we need to support many things other than our own Enlightenment, at least he knows what is what, which is far from what I can say for others here...

 

[James123]

24 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Its really simple, You all talk or write too much!

Enlightenment yes is a word we use to describe a certain state of Potential, Positive Potential that is, and from I have witnessed here on this forum, most all of You are not even close to any sort of that Potential.

The constant Questioning, the constant Asking, the Constant Replying, the Constant Debating over and over again says allot..

Silence is the key, I am still learning this skill but at the least I am learning.

Why do I care?  Because this place is supposed to a bit more Enlightened that most other places, and it is not, and my goal other that my own Enlightenment is too see others do the same so that this place we call Earth is better overall for all that are living here, Human or otherwise!

Yes this place possesses some information, data, words upon words, concepts over concepts, that may help a beginner, but the ones that post here the most are not Beginners, they are supposed to be way beyond that but its obvious that You are not, if You have to continually debate and explain the same things over and over again, or continue to share You unique concepts with the world (they are not unique in any way by the way! that is just Your Ego by which Your supposed to over with by now)..

Enlightened People Laugh more, watch more, listen more than anyone does around Here, so just a heads up, if You think this place is an Enlightened Place it is not..

This is not too say that Leo has nothing to offer, I would say he is for sure more Enlightened that 99.9999999% of everyone that posts here on a regular basis, but he needs you guys to feed off of in many ways, that's okay as we need to support many things other than our own Enlightenment, at least he knows what is what, which is far from what I can say for others here...

 

Hey Brother.

You are definitely right from your perspective.

However, I was suicidal and try to suicide couple times. Till I met with @Nahm 

Back and forth we had hundreds of conversations and with all his sayings, i mixed with all other teachings from different teacher and it made sense. Moreover, top of that I had so much suffering in my so called personal life.

Then I totally surrender and died anyway 😂 😂 😂 which is more difficult then suicide, which is quick death. Surrendering is complete burning while breathing. 😂 😂 

So now, Being, therefore love, sharing, caring, crying, hugging and bliss is inevitable.

Enlightenment is the best service that one can do for humanity. Because, there is no i there, therefore no conflict, expectations, divisions etc...

Just saying.

Edited August 15 by James123

[Ishanga]

@James123 I respect everyone's Journey, Perspective and Approach, I may not agree with it but there is a respect on my part, since everything and everyone, every opinion, belief, experience, perspective shared, concept described etc. is an expression of a Potential and Possibility,  who am I to say it should not be so, but Enlightenment is above all of this, its the concept of being the highest Potential for a Human Life, which on this planet is the highest form of Life in how we can Experience it, live it, be creative thru it, perceive it and so forth..

All this talking, sharing, and such its good up to a point, after that point it gets to be disempowering, and addictive and leads one further away from Truth and Enlightenment, I know, I've gone thru this sort of thing on other forums concerning other topics, but Enlightenment/Spirituality is the highest Pursuit anyone can take up, we have a greater responsibility to ourselves and all Life in this manner than any other activity or pursuit we can engage in, so the standard is higher here or should Be!

[James123]

12 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

its the concept of being the highest Potential for a Human Life, which on this planet is the highest form of Life in how we can Experience it, live it, be creative thru it, perceive it and so forth..

Exactly. But there is no "I" there. That's the core. It is actually Being what You really are. That's it. End reflection of Being is the Love. What can be better to say I love you to someone without any expectations? Without any talking just hugging to broken heart? Holding hands of orphan child? Because, it is You (not "you as self or ego).

12 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Enlightenment/Spirituality is the highest Pursuit anyone can take up,

Yes. But many people don't know that enlightenment is not an achievement. It is death or end of that person. 

Moreover, (for your thread title) If anyone claims that they are enlightened, they are not. Because enlightenment is not something to possess or announce. Because, the Truth not separate from you. It is You. Beyond mind and ego, therefore it needs no declaration.

Edited August 15 by James123

[Princess Arabia]

Another "it is your fault why I've gotten nowhere" post.

I'm not sure what's expected for a forum. One has to write, comment, talk, respond, post here in order to interact. That's what a forum is. You go away for a while and come back nickpicking this place; it's a habit. Couldn't find what you were looking for and now, let's try the forum again but they're going to have to buckle up and get serious so I can perhaps see some results of my own. Maybe if some of you get off and not post so much and do the work, you'll be able to start posting stuff that I may use to help enlighten me. As of now, I don't see anyone for the job. Sadghuru didn't do the job but I'm hoping some of the brighter folks here may be able to. 

Let's put Leo in the mix. Let's rate....he's 99.999999% more enlightened than us guys but he's feeding off of us too and using words like "our own enlightenment" - delusion. delusion. The arrogance of wanting to own everything including some fictitious endeavor called enlightenment has got to be at the top of neurosis list.

Saying enlightened people laugh more, watch and listen more is ego trying to label and categorize reality into it's little box of blissful thinking. Denying their opposites as also what this is and framing it how it sees the ideal reality and not what actually is the case. Being talkative and restless are just as much what this is as being silent and peaceful. It's all encompassing and you speak of enlightenment. You have no clue what enlightenment is and that's why you seek it and are like fish in water and cannot recognize that it's all done and enlightenment isn't a thing that someone owns. 

Edited August 16 by Princess Arabia

[Daniel Balan]

15 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Another "it is your fault why I've gotten nowhere" post.

I'm not sure what's expected for a forum. One has to write, comment, talk, respond, post here in order to interact. That's what a forum is. You go away for a while and come back nickpicking this place; it's a habit. Couldn't find what you were looking for and now, let's try the forum again but they're going to have to buckle up and get serious so I can perhaps see some results of my own. Maybe if some of you get off and not post so much and do the work, you'll be able to start posting stuff that I may use to help enlighten me. As of now, I don't see anyone for the job. Sadghuru didn't do the job but I'm hoping some of the brighter folks here may be able to. 

Let's put Leo in the mix. Let's rate....he's 99.999999% more enlightened than us guys but he's feeding off of us too and using words like "our own enlightenment" - delusion. delusion. The arrogance of wanting to own everything including some fictitious endeavor called enlightenment has hot to be at the top of neurosis. 

Saying enlightened people laugh more, watch and listen more is ego trying to label and categorize reality into it's little box of blissfull thinking. Denying their opposites as also what this is and phraming it how it sees the ideal reality and not what actually is the case. Being talkative and restless are just as much what this is as being silent and peaceful. It's all encompassing and you speak of enlightenment. You have no clue what enlightenment is and that's why you seek it and are like fish in water and cannot recognize that it's all done and enlightenment isn't a thing that someone owns. 

100%! Some people here are in a desperate need for a reality check. Imagine calling Leo someone that feeds off of us. That man litteraly spent his peak adult years shooting hundreds of hours worth of videos for damn free, combined with the tens of thousands of hours spent here explaining things on the forum. The ammount of ungratefulness and spoiled kid attitude is through the roof for some folks on this forum.This forum is a gold mine, literally every time I've had a question the members of this community have provided me with answers. People expect that this community should do their inner work for them, which is completely wrong attitude. I personally don't even care about enlightenment, but it drives me mad seeing people complain about this forum although they haven't even begun doing even remotely the work Leo advocates for. To all the complainers, firstly do the work then come and complain. 

Edited August 16 by Daniel Balan

[Malekakisioannis]

@Ishanga the only reason no one of us is enlightened is because there is only one.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

 Because this place is supposed to a bit more Enlightened that most other place

the ones that post here the most are not Beginners, they are supposed to be way beyond

Your own assumptions. Are they supposed to be beginners? Is this place supposed to be more enlightened? 

This place is just a tool for learning. It's not supposed to be anything. 

You are assuming enlightenment is everyone's goal. It's not a destination. I would never call myself enlightened. If you were, you wouldn't bloody say it! What would be the point? 

There are many here who are engaging in open contemplation dyads - look for those as they are where you see the process. That is where others are pushing the limits and breaking through belief and assumption. Leading each other to their own truth and elevating consciousness. 

Maybe your ability to sort through is still sharpening

At the end of the day, there are always going to be users who are more eager to SAY something, to display knowledge, rather than do what is more useful.... 

Explore from a place of deep not knowing 😁 

 

 

[Hojo]

Its true. You cant know anything to become one with the light I beleive.

Edited August 16 by Hojo

[Ishanga]

9 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Another "it is your fault why I've gotten nowhere" post.

I'm not sure what's expected for a forum. One has to write, comment, talk, respond, post here in order to interact. That's what a forum is. You go away for a while and come back nickpicking this place; it's a habit. Couldn't find what you were looking for and now, let's try the forum again but they're going to have to buckle up and get serious so I can perhaps see some results of my own. Maybe if some of you get off and not post so much and do the work, you'll be able to start posting stuff that I may use to help enlighten me. As of now, I don't see anyone for the job. Sadghuru didn't do the job but I'm hoping some of the brighter folks here may be able to. 

Let's put Leo in the mix. Let's rate....he's 99.999999% more enlightened than us guys but he's feeding off of us too and using words like "our own enlightenment" - delusion. delusion. The arrogance of wanting to own everything including some fictitious endeavor called enlightenment has got to be at the top of neurosis list.

Saying enlightened people laugh more, watch and listen more is ego trying to label and categorize reality into it's little box of blissful thinking. Denying their opposites as also what this is and framing it how it sees the ideal reality and not what actually is the case. Being talkative and restless are just as much what this is as being silent and peaceful. It's all encompassing and you speak of enlightenment. You have no clue what enlightenment is and that's why you seek it and are like fish in water and cannot recognize that it's all done and enlightenment isn't a thing that someone owns. 

Your one of the worst offenders with Your 14K+ posts! Its all Ego gratification for You that is a certainty... Spiritually Your way off base with this no one here, nothing happening bla bla, its like talking to a person that is totally insane, no point in doing that!

[Ishanga]

8 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Your own assumptions. Are they supposed to be beginners? Is this place supposed to be more enlightened? 

This place is just a tool for learning. It's not supposed to be anything. 

You are assuming enlightenment is everyone's goal. It's not a destination. I would never call myself enlightened. If you were, you wouldn't bloody say it! What would be the point? 

There are many here who are engaging in open contemplation dyads - look for those as they are where you see the process. That is where others are pushing the limits and breaking through belief and assumption. Leading each other to their own truth and elevating consciousness. 

Maybe your ability to sort through is still sharpening

At the end of the day, there are always going to be users who are more eager to SAY something, to display knowledge, rather than do what is more useful.... 

Explore from a place of deep not knowing 😁 

 

 

Incorrect, this place is supposed to be more than the normal forum, for sure it is not, yes it has value as all forums have value, but I would say it has not lived up to what it is meant for!

[Ishanga]

8 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

100%! Some people here are in a desperate need for a reality check. Imagine calling Leo someone that feeds off of us. That man litteraly spent his peak adult years shooting hundreds of hours worth of videos for damn free, combined with the tens of thousands of hours spent here explaining things on the forum. The ammount of ungratefulness and spoiled kid attitude is through the roof for some folks on this forum.This forum is a gold mine, literally every time I've had a question the members of this community have provided me with answers. People expect that this community should do their inner work for them, which is completely wrong attitude. I personally don't even care about enlightenment, but it drives me mad seeing people complain about this forum although they haven't even begun doing even remotely the work Leo advocates for. To all the complainers, firstly do the work then come and complain. 

Questioning is okay up to a point, but when its a constant exercise then that means Your too intellectually identified, which will lead You further away from Truth and Reality...

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Incorrect, this place is supposed to be more than the normal forum, for sure it is not, yes it has value as all forums have value, but I would say it has not lived up to what it is meant for!

I suggest you ask Leo what the forums are for. Again, more assumptions.

These are just, like, your opinions, man. 

Other than to complain - what is the point? 

Many of us can see there are tons of users at all stages of development. Are you a teacher yourself? Coaches use language to teach when direct facilitation is a barrier. 

What methods do you employ to facilitate and guide? 

And the reason you ask why you care? Because you feel entitled.

 

Edited August 16 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Mellowmarsh]

9 hours ago, Hojo said:

Its true. You cant know anything to become one with the light I beleive.

It’s true. You can’t know enlightenment, because you are enlightenment. 
 

 

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Your one of the worst offenders with Your 14K+ posts! Its all Ego gratification for You that is a certainty... Spiritually Your way off base with this no one here, nothing happening bla bla, its like talking to a person that is totally insane, no point in doing that!

I could have bet a million dollars you were going to comment on my post count and told me I was one of the worst. Lol. So predictable. No one here and blah blah. I could have responded on my own comment for you and saved you the time and energy. Same shit, different day. You'd also make a bad lawyer if ego gratification was an offense if you based it off of post count. You probably use that to count comments and responses but can't see beyond your limited self that post counts count for more than that.

"No point in doing that", you say, but you seek enlightenment. There's no point to anything. This is a pointless, timeless, boundless, meaningless, whatever else less infinite unlimited existence/reality or whatever the hell it is. Maybe start from there and now you can relax and play because there is no point and that's freedom. You seek enlightenment - maybe first free yourself from the bondage of trying to see a point to this, expecting this to be a certain way, seeing conditions to enlightenment and stop taking this forum and it's members so seriously and lighten up a bit. You say there's no point in me saying there's no one, what's the point of your post and where is the benefit and value. None. Show me the point in this. There's none. There doesn't have to be a point for this to appear. Your ego needs for there to be a point because it seeks. It's so delicate and just about ready for annihilation but it hangs on looking for points, reasons and purposes. There's none. So go make your own points and go look for enlightenment elsewhere because this forum won't and can't give it to you because there are no points to this. Points are limitations and this isn't limited to be needing a point, only your neurotic ego and self-serving agendas.

Edited August 16 by Princess Arabia

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Its really simple, You all talk or write too much!

Maybe, but Sadhguru doesn't keep silent even under water.

[Princess Arabia]

You go away and come back with a vengeance while the rest of us are here keep on keeping on with no worries. Why even bother come back to stir up shit and you say my post count is egoic. I forgot I even had a post count because my attention isn't on post counts here but content. What's being said and being posted, not some dead figure that started from 2020. You're just mad because there's but so much Sadhguru content you can post here before seeming like some neurotic, psychopathic, delusional idol worshipper and Sad isn't producing enough new content for you to brag about and share. Maybe share him and start idolizing Osho too to break it up a bit, maybe some moojii while you're at it. Maybe they'll enlighten you since Sad didn't do a good job at it but only raking in the doe from his worshippers.