If you were Europe and you wanted peace with Russia, China and the US how would you..

[PurpleTree]

.. do it?

I think Europe is already quite peaceful. Many European countries don’t partake in war. France and Brits are mostly outliers.

There a huge “beef” between Brits and Russians in a way which is ancient at this point although they also respect each in ways and theres a lot of Russian money in London etc.

But i guess Europe has to take Russias security concerns serious. Have an open honest serious dialogue. Russia has to stop meddling in European politics etc. Let’s make business. Ukraine can act as a buffer state. With a very strong army. Integrated into EU market and with security guarantees. Europe and Russia must go back to making serious business with each other so that there’s no incentive for conflict. And then at some point in decades  integrate Russia into EU (also Turkey) Tadaa superpower. And we lived happily ever after. The main issue is trust and diverging interests i guess. And the US who lives far away but has a lot of control.

[PurpleTree]

Also Europe “should” imo build a strong European army, with European weapons and jets and a strong nuclear deterrence. And imo they of course shouldn’t go on adventures abroad. Just for defence. 

[Salvijus]

I would start with a peace sign most importantly of course. 

 

[PurpleTree]

6 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I would start with a peace sign most importantly of course. 

 

God your posts are so useless. Can a mod delete this crap? @OBEler

Edited Monday at 11:53 AM by PurpleTree

[Salvijus]

You need to have some humor if you want bring peace imo. 

Edited Monday at 12:11 PM by Salvijus

[MutedMiles]

8 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

.. do it?

I think Europe is already quite peaceful. Many European countries don’t partake in war. France and Brits are mostly outliers.

There a huge “beef” between Brits and Russians in a way which is ancient at this point although they also respect each in ways and theres a lot of Russian money in London etc.

But i guess Europe has to take Russias security concerns serious. Have an open honest serious dialogue. Russia has to stop meddling in European politics etc. Let’s make business. Ukraine can act as a buffer state. With a very strong army. Integrated into EU market and with security guarantees. Europe and Russia must go back to making serious business with each other so that there’s no incentive for conflict. And then at some point in decades  integrate Russia into EU (also Turkey) Tadaa superpower. And we lived happily ever after. The main issue is trust and diverging interests i guess. And the US who lives far away but has a lot of control.

By being strong, relevant and needed by China, US and Russia. They are very relevant and needed for sure, but I don't think they are strong enough at the moment.

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, MutedMiles said:

By being strong, relevant and needed by China, US and Russia. They are very relevant and needed for sure, but I don't think they are strong enough at the moment.

The US, Russia and China unfortunately have an interest in not letting us get too strong. And we’re easily divided as there are many countries/cultures democracy and so on. But it’s on us.

[Bjorn K Holmstrom]

A Strategic Blueprint for European and Global Peace

Hello everyone,

I'd like to share a strategic framework for the question that was asked by PurpleTree.

Traditional geopolitics often traps us in a cycle of managing rivalries and balancing threats. This proposal outlines a different path: a phased, "three-stage rocket" strategy that moves from pragmatic stabilization to a deep, systemic transformation of international relations itself. The vision is to build a world where great power competition becomes obsolete.

This strategy integrates practical, near-term actions with the visionary toolkit of the Global Governance Frameworks (GGF), a project I have worked on since around March this year. The GGF is a comprehensive, open-source blueprint for civilizational transformation, an ecosystem of interconnected frameworks designed to provide scalable solutions to our world's crises and guide humanity toward a regenerative future.

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Stage I: Building the Launchpad - Forging Principled Autonomy (Years 1-5)

Before Europe can effectively mediate peace, it must become a strong, coherent, and autonomous global actor. This first stage is about building internal resilience to address the core challenge you (PurpleTree) identified: an over-reliance on the US, which 'lives far away but has a lot of control.' By forging principled autonomy, Europe creates the foundation for credible power.

• Pillar 0: Social & Economic Cohesion: The foundation of all strength is internal unity. This involves implementing pilot programs for universal basic income and services (via the `AUBI framework`) to eliminate economic precarity, while deploying community healing programs (based on the `Kintsugi Protocol`) to build high-trust, resilient societies from the ground up.
• Pillar 1: Strategic Independence: Europe must achieve sovereignty in key domains. This includes a full transition to renewable energy, securing critical supply chains, and developing an integrated European defense pillar within NATO that can act as a credible deterrent on its own. This directly realizes the vision you mentioned of a 'strong European army... just for defence,' ensuring Europe's security is in its own hands. A central part of this is a clear Roadmap for Peace in Ukraine, using the methodologies of the `Peace & Conflict Resolution Framework` to pursue a just and lasting settlement. The goal aligns with your suggestion for a strong, sovereign Ukraine that acts as a bridge, fully integrated into the EU market and with robust security guarantees.
• Pillar 2: Economic Gravity: With a stable core, Europe can project influence through attraction rather than force. By scaling up its Global Gateway initiative and establishing a fair and transparent trade architecture, it becomes an indispensable economic partner for the US, China, and a post-conflict Russia.
• Pillar 3: The Innovation Bridge: This involves launching a "Helsinki-2" process to create new, updated security agreements for the 21st century, covering cyber, space, and AI, a formal venue for the 'open honest serious dialogue' needed to address the legitimate security concerns of all parties, including Russia. It also means creating a Peace and Transformation Index to transparently track progress towards a more stable world, measuring metrics of well-being (like the GGF's `LMCI` (Love, Meaning & Connection Index) alongside traditional security indicators.

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The Bridge Phase: Proving the Model through Regional Piloting (Years 6-10)

This phase directly addresses what you correctly identified as the main issue: 'trust and diverging interests'. Having established its own autonomy, Europe begins to build that trust by testing the GGF's transformative models with a 'coalition of the willing,' proving their value through successful cooperation.

The centerpiece of this phase is the launch of the first Regenerative Trade Zone (RTZ). Governed by the `Gaian Trade Framework`, this zone pioneers an economic model where trade actively heals ecosystems and builds community wealth, using regenerative currencies like `Hearts` and `Leaves`. By demonstrating the superior stability, resilience, and prosperity of this model with partners in Africa, Asia, or the Americas, Europe creates a powerful "pull factor," making the regenerative economy an attractive, evidence-based alternative to the current extractive system.

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Stage II: The GGF Endgame - Pioneering a New Global Paradigm (Years 11-25)

With the GGF model proven in the Bridge Phase, the final stage is to launch a new global system that transcends the logic of great power competition.

The core strategy is the "Regenerative Pull," creating a system so inspiring and beneficial that joining it becomes the most rational choice for all major powers.

• A Global Regenerative Economy: The RTZ is scaled globally, with access to the `Global Commons Fund` providing stability and funding for planet-wide public goods. This offers a path to prosperity for all nations based on healing, not extraction, and represents the 21st-century evolution of the idea to one day 'integrate Russia into EU,' creating a superpower rooted in regenerative economics rather than old political structures.
• Species-Level Security Cooperation: The `Aegis Protocol` is deployed, inviting the US, China, and Russia to transition their military capabilities into a shared Global Security & Exploration Trust. Their new, unifying mission becomes addressing species-level threats: planetary defense from asteroids, preventing pandemics, and managing existential risks from AI.

This final stage doesn't solve the old rivalries; it makes them obsolete by reframing global security as a shared, positive-sum mission for the survival and flourishing of humanity.

Conclusion

This strategy presents a coherent pathway from the complex realities of today's geopolitical landscape to a genuinely transformed and peaceful future. It begins with pragmatic steps to build strength and stability, then uses that foundation to pilot and scale a new system of global cooperation. By doing so, Europe can lead the way in demonstrating that a more regenerative and collaborative world is not only possible, but is the most realistic path to enduring peace.

[Link to the full, detailed strategy synthesis document as a blog post on the GGF website]

Edited yesterday at 02:54 PM by Bjorn K Holmstrom