Anti human spirituality

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

All the points you raise have been addressed.

There is simply repetition of the same points like a broken record now.

You could argue that this is contrary to your openness concept - in this example Carl and I are open to the possibility there was a psychic connection happening. You dismissed it. Just a thought.

I didn't understand what you meant, I missinterpreted. Finished for today 

[Inliytened1]

@Breakingthewall to know what it is.  

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Maybe you don't understand what I'm saying.  

That's because you both operates in the same level. You can't understand what Im saying because you are in the conceptual limited level, believing that is me who is in the conceptual limited level, and both use condescendence. I'm talking from another perspective, from the broad one. Maybe someone who's reading this can see it. If not it's ok, it's not a topic to argue

Synchronistically telepathically communicating a misunderstanding, now that would be unlikely.

 

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Carl-Richard

I've been following this conversation and indeed - I was literally posting just as you wrote the above this is the context issue. Now really that is a psychic happening. No shit there - I just sat down at work to take a 5 minute break, begun typing a response that this thread exemplifies your language game point, and then you posted THIS of all things! Another example of psychic stuff and how it always happens TO me. Can't directly cause it. My gosh!

Good pointers above - shooting on the right track for sure!

Telepathy, when the context and the content are communicated, without misinterpretation 😋

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure, then dropping the ego means what? For example, if you see a rapist raping your girlfriend, your no ego, what could do? Singing? Maybe starting cooking? Because you ve no ego, anything is the same. Or maybe you could fight? Because your ego is aligning with what reality wants from you. Your ego is an structure and have to decide to fight, how to fight, when exactly, be strong against fear, then calculate exactly what to do. Your "ego" is not your ego, is the reality. If has to "resist" because resistance means nothing, it's just another vibration of reality. Your ego not aligned was the reality exactly the same , but not aligned, closed, in process to evolution

You work yourself to a state where you let the ego not identify you, however, the mind might say things, the body might move and do things. But you don't cling to these things, you ultimately don't let them define you. You express the flow, as you say. But when you do this, you will indeed cling less, you will indeed suffer less, worry less, be less anxious, because these things are loopy, cyclical things, that the ego does by clinging.

Edited August 13 by Carl-Richard

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

You work yourself to a state where you let the ego not identify you, however, the mind might say things, the body might move and do things. But you don't cling to these things, you ultimately don't let them define you. You express the flow, as you say. But when you do this, you will indeed cling less, you will indeed suffer less, worry less, be less anxious, because these things are loopy, cyclical things, that the ego does by clinging.

"You" work "yourself" to a "state" where "you" let the ego not identify with "you". So there are two you, the ego and the real you? 

It seems you're talking about your self-image, something like: oh, my children are being raped, does that mean I'm a bad father? Gosh, should I do something to maintain my image as a good father?

Yeah, well, that's psychotic narcissism, it's fine for anyone to get over it, but I'm not talking about that, but about the real psychological structure, the real neural pathways that make you pick up an axe and start a fight to the death when you see your children being raped.

If, for example, you were a tuna, and you saw your children being raped, you wouldn't care at all, since you wouldn't have those neural pathways made by millions of years of evolution, you would have different ones, which would make you swim or maybe eat your children.

Edited August 13 by Breakingthewall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

If you (so to speak), and all your loved ones, do not have to participate in survival - what is left? In your opinion.

If your reply is 'openness' - that is synonymous here with 'being', which is also the same as 'no-self'. 

No self = awareness without centre, experience without owner, stillness without controller, doing without doer. 

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

"You" work "yourself" to a "state" where "you" let the ego not identify with "you". So there are two you, the ego and the real you? 

It seems you're talking about your self-image, something like: oh, my children are being raped, does that mean I'm a bad father? Gosh, should I do something to maintain my image as a good father?

Yeah, well, that's psychotic narcissism, it's fine for anyone to get over it, but I'm not talking about that, but about the real psychological structure, the real neural pathways that make you pick up an axe and start a fight to the death when you see your children being raped.

If, for example, you were a tuna, and you saw your children being raped, you wouldn't care at all, since you wouldn't have those neural pathways made by millions of years of evolution, you would have different ones, which would make you swim or maybe eat your children.

Where are you getting millions of years of electric pathways? It just started at birth and then the story was crafted from there.  It is all imaginary and you can trace it back as far as you can remember.  The millions of electric pathways is also something you imagined to make the story greater and more imaginable. 

Edited August 13 by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

you (so to speak), and all your loved ones, do not have to participate in survival - what is left? In your opinion.

If your reply is 'openness' - that is synonymous here with 'being', which is also the same as 'no-self'. 

For example now I'm not threatened and I'm thinking in going to a coffee shop to have a coffee , and what works I have to do today, and such things, that's the self, the psychological structure . It's not an state of openess, it like closed, not suffering but there is some contraction that I feel in the body, in the mind, in the vibration of everything in me. It could be much more contraction, then instead of the coffee I would thinking in killing my father because he provoke the death of my mother and tried to destroy me by narcissism, to put an example. It would be a very deep feeling, a real vibration of all my psyche that have it's origins millions years ago, much before than the human were a human. Neural pathways created when the monkeys protected their family, and before, when the rats did the same. 

Also, I could be an state of total openness, then I would feel the reality flow through me absolutely free, there wouldn't be contraction at all, no limits, then it's not the reality that flow through me, it's me, the reality, that flows. 

The difference between these three is the contraction, the oppressive vibration of fear. It has nothing to do with the ego. What's called the ego is the product of that oppression, and that oppression is an energetic structure created by evolution to keep you alive and society together. If you want to open it, you must understand and confront it. It's absolutely real, very complex, branched, and subtle. "Confront" it is not a mental game. 

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Where are you getting millions of years of electric pathways? It just started at birth and then the story was crafted from there.  It is all imaginary and you can trace it back as far as you can remember.  The millions of electric pathways is also something you imagined to make the story greater and more imaginable. 

Well, that's your perspective. I don't want to enter in religious discussion, just about the structure of the ego

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Breakingthewall Missed directly answering so I will rephrase - what is survival? Define it

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well, that's your perspective. I don't want to enter in religious discussion, just about the structure of the ego

The structure.  Well..It's as strong as your survival instinct.  And that survival instinct.  What was instilled in you at birth.  That was strong.  That was meant to keep you alive and to keep you in your current form.  Don't you think it had to be strong if you were going to be able to rerain this form for any length of time?

Edited August 13 by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Breakingthewall Missed directly answering so I will rephrase - what is survival? Define it

I answered direct, clear, with good examples, but seems not direct enough, let's see this: 

Survival is when you have to avoid death

 

 

 

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

The structure.  Well..It's as strong as your survival instinct.  And that survival instinct.  What was instilled in you at birth.  That was strong.  That was meant to keep you alive and to keep you in your current form.  Don't you think it had to be strong if you were going to be able to rerain this form for any length of time?

It wasn't installed in you at birth, it was created by the evolution of life over 3 billion years.

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It wasn't installed in you at birth, it was created by the evolution of life over 3 billion years.

No all of that began with the self. All of that was imagined.   You see.  In order to keep the 3 billion years alive you had to survive.   You're still in the dream bro.  Look at the synchronicities  that happen all around you telling you this is a dream.  They're all around you if you look.  There aren't 3 billion years of evolution and there isn't a planet earth.  There is only you now.  And this must endure.  At all costs. Otherwise the dream ends.

Edited August 13 by Inliytened1

[Natasha Tori Maru]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I answered direct, clear, with good examples, but seems not direct enough, let's see this: 

Survival is when you have to avoid death

If that is true then what is the below? You presented this example when I said 'pretend you don't have to worry about survival for you or loved ones'

28 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

For example now I'm not threatened and I'm thinking in going to a coffee shop to have a coffee , and what works I have to do today, and such things, that's the self, the psychological structure . It's not an state of openess, it like closed, not suffering but there is some contraction that I feel in the body, in the mind, in the vibration of everything in me. It could be much more contraction, then instead of the coffee I would thinking in killing my father because he provoke the death of my mother and tried to destroy me by narcissism, to put an example. It would be a very deep feeling, a real vibration of all my psyche that have it's origins millions years ago, much before than the human were a human. Neural pathways created when the monkeys protected their family, and before, when the rats did the same. 

Marked up in red above is all survival. Take that away. Now what is left?

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

No all of that began with the self. All of that was imagined.   You see.  In order to keep the 3 billion years alive you had to survive.   You're still in the dream bro.  Look at the synchronicities  that happen all around you telling you this is a dream.  They're all around you if you look.  There aren't 3 billion years of evolution and there isn't a planet earth.  There is only you now.  And this must endure.  At all costs. Otherwise the dream ends.

 

That are your beliefs and I respect them, but how could we discuss about that?

No, everything is imaginary and you are god creating this dream! How do you know? Because I'm awake and you don't! ok, you could believe or not, but the topic of the self, how to decompress it, it's direct. we can talk about it without entering in beliefs. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

That are your beliefs and I respect them, but how could we discuss about that?

No, everything is imaginary and you are god creating this dream! How do you know? Because I'm awake and you don't! ok, you could believe or not, but the topic of the self, how to decompress it, it's direct. we can talk about it without entering in beliefs. 

Can you explain how your 'structure' of self isn't a belief? 

You need to consider you might be having the belief, since you accuse everyone ELSE of having beliefs.

YOU are the commonality.

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

That are your beliefs and I respect them, but how could we discuss about that?

No, everything is imaginary and you are god creating this dream! How do you know? Because I'm awake and you don't! ok, you could believe or not, but the topic of the self, how to decompress it, it's direct. we can talk about it without entering in beliefs. 

You're getting away from your good English.  I don't know man have a fucking awakening for Christ's sake. It's just a dream.

[Breakingthewall]

20 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

If that is true then what is the below? You presented this example when I said 'pretend you don't have to worry about survival for you or loved ones'

Marked up in red above is all survival. Take that away. Now what is left?

Left layers and layers of fear.

Perhaps you don’t realize the extent of the threat implanted in your brain’s amygdala. Your whole being is compressed by a vibration of anxious self-protection that closes you off. It’s innate ,not an illusion.

Let me illustrate this with a story:
A few years ago, I was with a girl in Puerto La Cruz, Venezuela. I got hold of a sailboat with a crushed mast base. I spent two weeks repairing it with epoxy resin mixed with sawdust. Then I installed the mast, which weighed about 500 kg and exerts a pressure of 11 tons on the base under rough conditions.

Without stamping our passports , to avoid anyone foreseeing our departure and risking being murdered at sea for theft , we set off one night. I was worried about it for the first two days, but then I forgot.

From there we sailed to Jamaica , an intense 8-day crossing where I saw the mast holding up. Then we went on to Cuba, the Bahamas, and from there to Bermuda. The boat was 45 years old and poorly maintained. The engine could only be used in very specific situations.

Between Bermuda and the Azores, we hit a storm with sustained winds of around 100 km/h for five days, generating waves over 10 meters high, with lightning striking near the boat.

During that time, I set an alarm every 30 minutes at night. Every time it rang, I went outside to inspect everything, because the materials were under maximum tension, in the middle of wind as hurricane, movement as watermachine and hard rain. I kept checking the base of the mast , made of sawdust and epoxy , measuring it with calipers many times a day to see if it had shrunk even a millimeter.

This creates a tension, a high-frequency survival vibration, present every second for many days without pause. It’s extremely useful for understanding how the structure of closure operates, because it becomes much more noticeable.

That same vibration is present when you’re sitting in a city drinking coffee , because there are constant latent threats of various kinds. One of them is not being accepted by society. Your system registers it as a threat, just like being in serious trouble in the middle of the ocean ,only more muted.

If you want to open that closure, you have to understand it, not deny it. That’s absolutely essential

 

Edited August 13 by Breakingthewall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Breakingthewall This is an example of survival - what is left when you don't have to worry about survival?