Debunking Solipsism

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Yeah, why would a solipsistic sage tell apparent others about solipsism, if those apparent others didnt have minds of their own ? 

Dude, there are no sages. It's just you trying to grasp that you are God.

[r0ckyreed]

10 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Of course from the Absolute level there are no others. But in the relative level, he didnt say that apparent others dont have minds. 

 

 

The story says a student asked him: “How are we to treat others?” He replied: “There are no others.” The relative and absolute are one. All the sensory perceptions experienced right now: sights, sound, thoughts, etc. are all that exist. Qualia is absolute truth.

[Harikrishnan]

11 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Yeah, why would a solipsistic sage tell apparent others about solipsism, if those apparent others didnt have minds of their own ? 

Maybe to challenge oneself to answer all question that arises when holding such a realisation. I see it that way.

Edited Sunday at 04:06 PM by Harikrishnan

[Wilhelm44]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Dude, there are no sages. It's just you trying to grasp that you are God.

Thank you for your patience in talking about this topic.

[Wilhelm44]

5 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

The story says a student asked him: “How are we to treat others?” He replied: “There are no others.” The relative and absolute are one. All the sensory perceptions experienced right now: sights, sound, thoughts, etc. are all that exist. Qualia is absolute truth.

Thank you.

[Wilhelm44]

5 minutes ago, Harikrishnan said:

Maybe to challenge themselves to answer all question that arises when holding such a realisation. I see it that way.

I like that, thanks.

[Leo Gura]

If solipsism is true a sage is a trick you invented to keep yourself from realizing you are God.

Don't you see? God has to trick itself to feel a sense of otherness. Otherwise God would be all alone. So the trick needs to be extremely tricky, otherwise God would immediately see through it.

So you gotta contemplate how would God create a sense of other that feels totally real. What tricks would it use?

[Sophophile]

If you grasped this, why are you teachings and speaking. There is no point if you really grasped this.

Or are you just my imagination and not real. Did I invent and imagined you.

WTF🤯

[theleelajoker]

6 minutes ago, Sophophile said:

If you grasped this, why are you teachings and speaking. There is no point if you really grasped this.

Or are you just my imagination and not real. Did I invent and imagined you.

WTF🤯

You do things that have no purpose only for one reason - you like doing simply for the sake of doing. It's play. The real "result" is the activity itself, the apparent result just a means to an end. 

Welcome to the show, grab some popcorn 🍿. Enjoy the ride. 

 

 

[Hojo]

@Wilhelm44 You are in the absolute level before you are here. You are more in the absolute level than you are on a planet right now.

Pretend you walk around life and there are voices narrating and talking about what other people are doing. The voice in your head asks you questions and then you might answer or try to come to a conclusion. The voices are not physically real but they exist somewhere in your empty head. Your head must be empty for a voice to come and for you to hear it.

 

You in the forum are like a voice coming out of an empty head asking whats the true nature and I am like another voice coming from an empty head saying its you. The empty head is the absolute and we are both just voices in it that don't really exist.

So you asking there must be another, no we are spawning from the same source. Like you can have multiple people inside your head that can talk to you or argue with you. I the voice am not the hand but we are emerging from it. You or I don't exist we come out of a void of nothing and thats the absolute. Theres nobody to exist.

If your head is a closed system with fake people in it then the room is one then the planet is one and the universe is one all coming from one empty space just making shit up. There is no you or other people its a void of nothing spawning thoughts and imaginations. Ultimately its a void of nothing but it has magical powers like your mind does.

You could ask why don't you stop doing it then and I'd tell you I'm not even real I'm an imaginary voice in your head.

If you were a finger on a hand and the other fingers are talking to you they aren't in other finger they are inside your finger that you think you are in. When you transend to the hand so does every other finger cause there is nothing in the other fingers.

If you drew smiley faces on your fingertips and went into a finger to talk to the other smiley faces you would see you were the hand with smiley faces on its fingertips pretending like they were other concious fingers.

Edited Sunday at 04:59 PM by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, Sophophile said:

If you grasped this, why are you teachings and speaking.

Because I don't want to be alone.

Duh.

[Wilhelm44]

21 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Wilhelm44 You are in the absolute level before you are here. You are more in the absolute level than you are on a planet right now.

Pretend you walk around life and there are voices narrating and talking about what other people are doing. The voice in your head asks you questions and then you might answer or try to come to a conclusion. The voices are not physically real but they exist somewhere in your empty head. Your head must be empty for a voice to come and for you to hear it.

 

You in the forum are like a voice coming out of an empty head asking whats the true nature and I am like another voice coming from an empty head saying its you. The empty head is the absolute and we are both just voices in it that don't really exist.

So you asking there must be another, no we are spawning from the same source. Like you can have multiple people inside your head that can talk to you or argue with you. I the voice am not the hand but we are emerging from it. You or I don't exist we come out of a void of nothing and thats the absolute. Theres nobody to exist.

If your head is a closed system with fake people in it then the room is one then the planet is one and the universe is one all coming from one empty space just making shit up. There is no you or other people its a void of nothing spawning thoughts and imaginations. Ultimately its a void of nothing but it has magical powers like your mind does.

You could ask why don't you stop doing it then and I'd tell you I'm not even real I'm an imaginary voice in your head.

If you were a finger on a hand and the other fingers are talking to you they aren't in other finger they are inside your finger that you think you are in. When you transend to the hand so does every other finger cause there is nothing in the other fingers.

If you drew smiley faces on your fingertips and went into a finger to talk to the other smiley faces you would see you were the hand with smiley faces on its fingertips pretending like they were other concious fingers.

Thank you for the pointers, much appreciated.

[Xonas Pitfall]

44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

So you gotta contemplate how would God create a sense of other that feels totally real. What tricks would it use?

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There is a further radical possibility of infinite sovereign minds all permanently isolated from each others. With no way to connect. This is what my Infinite Gods video was about. But these others minds would not be the people you see in your life. They would be completely inaccessible to you. The people you see in your life would still all be your own mind, so this doesn't really help you escape solipsism.

What does the infinite sovereign minds mean in the context of God? This confuses me. 

[Inliytened1]

25 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

What does the infinite sovereign minds mean in the context of God? This confuses me. 

It means that there would be Infinite God's.  Kinda mind blowing.  They would be completely isolated from each other.   As in completely different realities.   Nothing would tie them together.

 

[Leo Gura]

33 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

What does the infinite sovereign minds mean in the context of God? This confuses me. 

Well, very simply, once you realize you are God and what God is, you can then go on to have a crazy new idea, which is that there can be infinite versions of you.

Just imagine infinite Gods, like islands or universes unto themselves.

Basically what happens after you realize Infinity is that you start to discover ever more radical consequences of Infinity. Literally new domains of Infinity open up to you because Infinity is endless. You discover more and more crazy shit about what Infinity means.

Infinity is so vast that your first realizations of it are not enough to realize it all. Infinity is a crazy radical thing.

Edited Sunday at 05:43 PM by Leo Gura

[Xonas Pitfall]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

It means that there would be Infinite God's.  Kinda mind blowing.  They would be completely isolated from each other.   As in completely different realities.   Nothing would tie them together.

How do you understand it? 

[Xonas Pitfall]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, very simply, once you realize you are God and what God is, you can then go on to have a crazy new idea, which is that there can be infinite versions of you.

Just imagine infinite Gods, like islands or universes unto themselves.

But this is still not debunking solipsism, correct? I think this is the confusing part. It’s still all made of God, and inside of God, whether that’s infinite gods, they still have to be 'mini' gods or a second order of the absolute, no? Otherwise, the logic collapses. There has to be an infinite "object" that encapsulates all, even if it holds other infinities within itself.

[Hojo]

@Xonas Pitfall All the Gods are nothing. Thats where every God comes from the ultimate God Shiva, that which is not, but exists. Leo teaching are confusing you as if going more infinite changes anything about the fundamental absolute God of nothing.

I think hes saying there could be infinite more nothingnessess but you can't know.

Edited Sunday at 06:39 PM by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

48 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

But this is still not debunking solipsism, correct? I think this is the confusing part. It’s still all made of God, and inside of God, whether that’s infinite gods, they still have to be 'mini' gods or a second order of the absolute, no? Otherwise, the logic collapses. There has to be an infinite "object" that encapsulates all, even if it holds other infinities within itself.

No, I am talking about the possibility of different Gods which have no contact with each other.

It is the notion of multiple Absolute Minds.

Imagine infinite different Absolutes.

This is a twisted notion.

[Hojo]

If solipsism was true but infinite, all the Gods could come into one mind or atom and live together as if they are not the same. When you leave or die you see you were never in the atom but the atom was a place that all the other Gods deemed as a host. The host could be a single God that sacrifice itself for the other Gods to play in.

The host, Jesus Christ.

Edited Sunday at 07:00 PM by Hojo