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What Arguments can You Make That Actualized.org Teaching are Indeed Very Rare?

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1 hour ago, Ramanujan said:

 me too

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They'll be unable to fathom what they're dealing with unless they try psychedelics (and correctly)

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On 31.7.2025 at 7:26 PM, LoneWonderer said:

The Taoists said one thing, Bhuddists another, so did the Hindus, The mystics of islam another...then don't get me started on the psychologists, the neuroscients and the scientists who stidied consciousness. The Shamans, the NDE experiencers, the psyconauts and it goes on and on.

@LoneWonderer Btw, I do know where you're coming from and I have times I feel lonely af because I can't share my experience. Even here on the forum, nobody could ever reproduce my exact path. But honestly, I think we all communicate the same thing with different words and symbols. I connect with people over other topics. My bro is into anime, I couldn't care less. My riding buddy games when he's off the bike, I think it's boring. Some friends are into the same festivals, nothing else. One close friend is totally stuck in life but that's where he needs to be. Not everyone can and wants to go that deep into their psyche, some are simply unable to. But you can still share close bonds.

In fact, you might feel less lonely if you just listen, without the urge to force your knowledge onto anyone and live your life well. That's the stuff that piques people's curiosity.

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Most claimed originality is rather uniqueness. You didn't create it, but the way you express it, it's yours. It's rare to get such topics in spoken long-format video, with high production value, and by somebody who knows how to speak clearly and actually make themselves understood, without superficial or roundabout stuff (except the Infinity of Gods video, of course 😉). As for "Alien consciousness" or "Leo's deepest awakening yet which cannot be communicated" etc., nothing has been said there, nothing to say there.

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On 31.7.2025 at 9:50 PM, Eskilon said:

Extreme Open-Mindedness & Independence of Thought.

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On 12/08/2025 at 6:25 AM, meta_male said:

@LoneWonderer

In fact, you might feel less lonely if you just listen, without the urge to force your knowledge onto anyone and live your life well. That's the stuff that piques people's curiosity.

I understand what you mean. Recently I've been reading a book on Leo's playlist about empathy and have recognised I actually have very low levels of empathy for others which could lead to a lack of interest in their lives too. I used to struggle a lot with listening to others. Nowadays I'm much better but all conversations end the same way. They all end up feeling empty to me because nothing of importance (regarding deep topics) was ever discussed. I listen and gain little to nothing from these conversations. It ends up feeling like I must have conversations  with people to maintain relationships to secure my survival (we all need people we can rely on in difficlt times). 

I have 2 close friends. One who is open to having these convos and I'm blessed to have him in my life and another friend who is just stuck in his life and barely mastering survival. I try to help him giving him advice but never go deep into anything else. With all other people relationships are superficial at best.

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On 12/08/2025 at 2:37 AM, Carl-Richard said:

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What? 

I think that's accurate if you were to briefly describe Leo and his teachings.

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3 hours ago, Eskilon said:

What? 

I think that's accurate if you were to briefly describe Leo and his teachings.

My reaction was with respect to the forum. But also, show me one independent thought.

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54 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

But also, show me one independent thought.

Well, ultimately nothing is independent because everything is connected -- Karma. But I would say here would be Infinity of Gods, and Alien Awakening.

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1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

Well, ultimately nothing is independent because everything is connected -- Karma. But I would say here would be Infinity of Gods, and Alien Awakening.

Lol, Infinity of Gods is "God is infinite" with extra steps. Alien awakening has not been laid out. But my feeling is it sounds like a standard DMT trip report with extra steps.

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An unoriginal thought is an original thought with extra steps. :P

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2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

An unoriginal thought is an original thought with extra steps. :P

It's worse. I think the thoughts are superfluous. You can have an "unoriginal" thought which is straightforward and not all fat and no meat. Infinity of Gods to me is "if God is infinite, did you know we could have infinite cakes too?". And I'll be like "yes, infinite cakes, sure. Anything else I didn't already know?".

Alien consciousness I suspect is something like "I took DMT and I realized there are intense levels of awareness and intelligence beyond our own", which is not even just literally what Terrence McKenna has said, but it's virtually the a priori of psychedelics gnosis.

Psychedelics do virtually only increase consciousness. And we're supposed to be amazed when somebody says we can discover radically elevated levels of consciousness and radically different states of perception and thinking on them? Beyond human perception? Yes, dUh.

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Hmmm hmmm going into some hard wriggly topics here:

Art & creativity can be looked at as imitation/compilation/repetition with a twist. 

We can use Andy Warhol as an example here - many of his works were just copies presented in alternate ways over and over. Repetition. The Campbells soup can, the Marylin Monroe prints. He has been heavily criticized for this - but it is still a creation. And he is still regarded as a popular artist and original creator.

Could you argue that Leo's teaching (actualized.org) is a similar original teaching, based purely on the amalgamation of works that Leo has grafted together? 

One could argue that, although he has learned and incorporated the works of other masters, it is still something original he is presenting. Has anyone else taken all of these masters and presented the same stitched together view?

As you can probably tell I take the subject of art and creativity quite seriously... and this turns into a discussion about 'what is art?' 'What is creativity?'

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1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Could you argue that Leo's teaching (actualized.org) is a similar original teaching, based purely on the amalgamation of works that Leo has grafted together? 

One could argue that, although he has learned and incorporated the works of other masters, it is still something original he is presenting. Has anyone else taken all of these masters and presented the same stitched together view?

Ding ding ding! 

It is a skill of itself to be able to combine a bunch of different teachings and ideas from various fields. Then transforming such an amalgamation of things together into something coherent and insightful for a general audience.

It IS creative, not everyone can pull that off! Truly demands a reasonable amount of appreciative feet kissing for all the value that's been provided. 


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2 hours ago, Puer Aeternus said:

 

It IS creative, not everyone can pull that off! Truly demands a reasonable amount of appreciative feet kissing for all the value that's been provided. 

@Puer Aeternus Yes, I believe this is the value Leo brings with his teachings. His gift has always seemed to me his ability to cut through the bullshit and fluf talk and get straight to the point. I believe it's also how he questioned everything and refused to fall into self delusions which then resonates in his work. His ability to show the interconnectedness of varying fields is also very unique. Other teachers (Bhuddists, taoists, Hindus, NDE experiencers, Psyconauts etc) usually get hung up on a set of values and beliefs about how life is. Often it's that they haven't gone deep enough, or questioned their own worldview enough, or even been open minded enough to other perspectives that they become stuck in one way of viewing reality.

Studying various teachers and schools of thought it was always in the back of my mind, this can't be it...what you're teaching...how do you reconcile with this other teacher and these other beliefs? I came into this work with radical openmindedness but this is a double edged sword because without CLEAR guidance you can spend an entire life trying to find answers or just give up all together in frustration.

This is another thing Leo offers which is quite unique. He offers the mind a clear path to god realization (and beyond) guiding the intellect through the pitfalls and traps of every other school of thought along the way. All other schools of thought are completely blind to their flaws.

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On 14.8.2025 at 5:19 AM, LoneWonderer said:

They all end up feeling empty to me because nothing of importance (regarding deep topics) was ever discussed.

If someone’s content and living a simple life they’re not going to obsess over the meaning of existence. So they might seem shallow to you. But people can go deep in all sorts of domains...robotics, mechanics, nutrition, sports, whatever. Existential questions aren’t inherently more valuable, they’re just your preferred area of interest. Not many are interested in these topics and I can see why lol.

Look at people on this forum: half the time it’s just smart sounding words, online socialising and banter. But most of them are struggling (or have struggled) in life. Maybe you’re not lonely because people avoid deep topics, but because you're looking for others in the same trench to connect with.

Thinking out loud, a recurring theme here is: I’m lonely, I’m struggling to find meaning and I’ve been through painful experiences.

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18 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

It's worse. I think the thoughts are superfluous. You can have an "unoriginal" thought which is straightforward and not all fat and no meat. Infinity of Gods to me is "if God is infinite, did you know we could have infinite cakes too?". And I'll be like "yes, infinite cakes, sure. Anything else I didn't already know?".

Alien consciousness I suspect is something like "I took DMT and I realized there are intense levels of awareness and intelligence beyond our own", which is not even just literally what Terrence McKenna has said, but it's virtually the a priori of psychedelics gnosis.

Psychedelics do virtually only increase consciousness. And we're supposed to be amazed when somebody says we can discover radically elevated levels of consciousness and radically different states of perception and thinking on them? Beyond human perception? Yes, dUh.

I was playing around with that reply, but I'd say I agree with your take for the most part - except for your last paragraph. Substances may alter your physiology, state, and cognition, potentially precipitating relative insights, facilitating greater awareness, and generating varied ways of "perceiving" and thinking. But ultimately, the one who increases their consciousness is you - not the drugs or the environment. We can see that even though similar terms might be used, the experience or distinction being referred to often varies between individuals.

We could start by distinguishing between "independent" and "original."

To tell you the truth, I'm not interested in engaging in such arguments. To me, those worlds are purely based on fantasy, and my inquiry is much more grounded currently. As a whole, we can't even tell our asses from a hole in the ground. For example: what is thinking, in the first place? Do we really know what that activity is or entails? Not what we think thinking is, but what it takes to generate it, and how it differs from other activities that are easily conflated with it, like judging and opining.

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13 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

As you can probably tell I take the subject of art and creativity quite seriously... and this turns into a discussion about 'what is art?' 'What is creativity?'

COME AT ME BROS

Hey, I think a thread could be opened for each of those topics.

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13 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

It's worse. I think the thoughts are superfluous. You can have an "unoriginal" thought which is straightforward and not all fat and no meat. Infinity of Gods to me is "if God is infinite, did you know we could have infinite cakes too?". And I'll be like "yes, infinite cakes, sure. Anything else I didn't already know?".

I think you didn't quite grasp the significance of the Infinity of Gods video, otherwise you woudn't make this sort of comment.

The Infinity of Gods video is the ultimate strange-loop(period). Can GOD be absolute and multiply itself in other absolutes but never truly know? Never truly encounter other Absolutes but intuit that it exists? But if GOD could do that would it be truly absolute and omniscient? Well that's the strange-loop and a consequence of unlimitedness.

13 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Alien consciousness I suspect is something like "I took DMT and I realized there are intense levels of awareness and intelligence beyond our own", which is not even just literally what Terrence McKenna has said, but it's virtually the a priori of psychedelics gnosis.

Yeah no. I don't think alien awakening is machine-elves or anything of the sort.

 

13 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Psychedelics do virtually only increase consciousness. And we're supposed to be amazed when somebody says we can discover radically elevated levels of consciousness and radically different states of perception and thinking on them? Beyond human perception? Yes, dUh.

Science only investigates, discover and understands things about reality.

Carl-Richard: Are we supposed to be amazed when science investigates, discover and understands new and original things about reality?yes, dUh.

What is there to be amazed in life if not to understand and explore new stuff?

Just because pyschedelics increases consciousness, from that it doesn't follow that you will understand the same stuff I understand, and that it doesn't have uncharted territory never explored before. And definetly doesn't mean it easy to get there.

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8 hours ago, meta_male said:

If someone’s content and living a simple life they’re not going to obsess over the meaning of existence. So they might seem shallow to you. But people can go deep in all sorts of domains...robotics, mechanics, nutrition, sports, whatever. Existential questions aren’t inherently more valuable, they’re just your preferred area of interest. Not many are interested in these topics and I can see why lol.

Look at people on this forum: half the time it’s just smart sounding words, online socialising and banter. But most of them are struggling (or have struggled) in life. Maybe you’re not lonely because people avoid deep topics, but because you're looking for others in the same trench to connect with.

Thinking out loud, a recurring theme here is: I’m lonely, I’m struggling to find meaning and I’ve been through painful experiences.

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