What distance is considered close to clubs timewise?

[Magnanimous]

Just planning a move to London to do pickup. I know the closer you live to clubs (better logistics) you can increase your close count by 2x-10x (in the words of Leo)

[theleelajoker]

Best way to increase your close count is not to think about the best distance to clubs to increase your close count 😉

In my experience, if the woman is really in the mood to spent the night with you she doesn't give a fuck if it's a 5 min walk or a 45+ min ride. 

It even can be an amazing foreplay, talking, kissing, touching, cuddling, connecting until you reach home and then can set all the excitement and positive tension free together 

 

Edited yesterday at 01:37 PM by theleelajoker

[Leo Gura]

Walking distance is the holy grail of game.

But usually that's very expensive.

Once walking distinct is out of the question, a 10 min drive is very good. If it's over 30 min drive it gets bad.

[something_else]

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Walking distance is the holy grail of game.

The most I ever got laid was when I lived a 30 sec walk from the entrance to a club. It's insane how much of a difference it makes. I was lucky that I lived in a cheap city at the time though, which London is not.

It was quite a nice flat too, so I could have afterparties which was great for getting laid and making friends.

[theleelajoker]

We seem to live in different universes.

Let's check if I'm am getting this right. The argument is: If there is too much time, then there a "flight risk" and the woman might change her mind about sex? That's the argument, yes? 

 

If yes, are you guys fucking kidding me??? 😂

First: if a woman only wants to sleep with me if it's a short distance to my home, if she might change her mind because it takes 20min more to get home, then how much does she actually wants to have sex with me??? How much does she actually want to spend time with me???

Second:  If that's the case and the woman is that uncertain - how much do I want actually have sex with her???  If there is so much process and planning required to keep her wanting to fuck me, how good will the sex actually be??? Sorry, where did I leave my self esteem? Still in the wardrobe, yes? Ok let me get it...

 

If I am missing something let me know. Of course, there is a process of courting, and it can be practical to be close to home. 

But I don't plan distance because it "gets bad" if her spending more time with me might make her lose the desire to fuck me LOL

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 07:29 PM by theleelajoker

[aurum]

17 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

If yes, are you guys fucking kidding me??? 😂

It's not a joke at all. 

One night stands pretty much always hang by a thread and are mostly about conveinence. You're riding a good wave of energy. Too many logistical problems tend to ruin things.

20 or 30 minutes is certainly still possible, but it does make it more complicated.

Try it your way if you disagree.

If you've known the girl for a while, that does change the dynamic. Then it's less about convenience because you're already bonded.

The problem with a ONS is there is still very little bond or investment between you.

6 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

It even can be an amazing foreplay, talking, kissing, touching, cuddling, connecting until you reach home and then can set all the excitement and positive tension free together 

No, because you're driving. You can talk and that's about it.

Connecting too much at that point is awkward because you're not a couple. You need to keep some distance.

[theleelajoker]

25 minutes ago, aurum said:

Try it your way if you disagree.

I wouldn't write any of this if I did not have sufficient examples where distance didn't matter.
Long rides with bike, long walks, trains, taxi, subway doesn't matter. If both are in the mood you just go for it and the distance is not a factor  (don't think I ever had to cover much more then 1h because few cities are that big)

My whole point is that if logistics matter that much, then it's nothing that is worthwhile for either one. 

25 minutes ago, aurum said:

The problem with a ONS is there is still very little bond or investment between you.

Depends. You can find alignment, bonding (or the opposite) quite fast by being authentic, honest, relaxed. Couldn't do that in the past, but meditation helped tremendously. 

25 minutes ago, aurum said:

No, because you're driving. You can talk and that's about it.

Point taken re car. I prefer public transport, bike, walking or taxi.

25 minutes ago, aurum said:

Connecting too much at that point is awkward because you're not a couple. You need to keep some distance.

Hmm that makes me think. Isn't connecting the way to find out if you actually feel like having sex? Sure there has to be physical attraction, but it's a necessary but not sufficient condition in my POV.

And yes, at some point you have to make clear what intention each person has because it can become awkward if there is a big difference. But that's something you can talk about at any point if sme feels like it, right?

What's making it awkward in your POV if you connect too much?

Edited 23 hours ago by theleelajoker

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

If yes, are you guys fucking kidding me???

No. It matters enormously.

Women will invent whatever excuse not to have sex.

You can literally increase you results by 5x if you live within walking distance.

This is all because women do not think before they have sex and don't take responsibility for sex. If the sex looks accidental they will do it. If it looks planned they will not. They will have sex but they do not want to know they will have sex.

It is shocking because that's how irresponsible many women are.

Edited 20 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Leo Gura

Do you mean most women? 

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Leo Gura

Do you mean most women? 

I mean how womankind has sex.

This has all been field-tested to death by men. There are no more secrets. We know the entire process front to back like a formula.

We can draw a geometric formula of distance from club to quantity of sex.

Any man interested in sex should understand and respect that formula.

Edited 23 hours ago by Leo Gura

[theleelajoker]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

No. It matters enormously.

Women will invent whatever excuse not to have sex..

I have experienced the "finding reasons not to have sex". Left me confused when I was younger because it felt as if her body clearly communicated a desire but her programming (mind) said no. But then it was a general "no" and distance didn't matter that much. They had their reasons, I think most of times it was about not getting attached. 

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is all because women do not think before they have sex and they don't take responsibility for sex.

Hmmm it varies a lot in my experience.

I remember discussing outside a club with a Israeli girl, I asked "what we do next?" and she just gave a look and said " I know what I want". She did think, she had a clear plan and she took 100% responsibility.  Another one said "I know exactly where this is going" when we approached my place - took us maybe 45-60 min to get there. She knew already when we left 😛

 There are many other occasions I remember where the woman was clearly the one taking responsibility and setting a course that led to sex. 

The opposite happened as well, but very few times. My impression is that it seemed to be related to religious, cultural or family upbringing,  believe systems about sex or not being in touch with herself and her needs. 

All in all I have the experience that women know almost all the time very well what they are doing and take responsibility for sex. There was a Indian we had a ONS after meeting three times and she could explain to me exactly when and how she checked me out and when she decided to send me the signals for sex.

Just ask women when they decided to (not) have sex with you I learned a lot by simply being curious : )

 

Edited 20 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

and take responsibility

No they don't.

[Jannes]

Club exists where you can literally have sex directly in the club. 

I wonder how this effects the chances. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I mean how womankind has sex.

This has all been field-tested to death by men. There are no more secrets. We know the entire process front to back like a formula.

We can draw a geometric formula of distance from club to quantity of sex.

Any man interested in sex should understand and respect that formula.

No comment on the testing. 

I am saying there needs to be a distinction that this might be the case for most women in that environment. But not all 

[theleelajoker]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No they don't.

That is your projection of reality, which you expand from personal experience with subjective filter to a generalizated statement. 

 

My personal experience is very different. I gave examples above and I am unlike your statement it's not a projection. Yes sometimes I could see how she intentionally guided our interactions towards sex while she was doing it. But much more, they told me what they did or said, when and how, what their thought process was at the moment etc. 100% responsibility. 

No idea what you get from painting women as "children" that don't take responsibility but IMO it's a harmful narrative and plainly very wrong. 

Edited 23 hours ago by theleelajoker

[Leo Gura]

If you want to understand why living next to the club is important, you will need to understand what I said.

If you don't care to understand, then continue holding your current view of things.

Everything I said here is related to the title of this thread. Do not make me out to be some monster stereotyping all women. I give a concrete answer to why distance is critical.

Edited 20 hours ago by Leo Gura

[theleelajoker]

9 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Club exists where you can literally have sex directly in the club. 

I wonder how this effects the chances. 

😁😁😁

[theleelajoker]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

If you want to understand why living next to the club is important, you will need to understand what I said.

If don't care to understand, then continue holding your current view of things.

If you want to understand why living next to the club is NOT important, you will need to understand what I said.

If don't care to understand, then continue holding your current view of things.

 

And if you want to leave your current mysogenous perspective on women as "children that don't take responsibility", then you need to understand that your personal projection is a) your bias of motives and behavior and not what really is and b) even if it was so, it can not be generalized from personal experience to "women are like XYZ"

[Davino]

48 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

We can draw a geometric formula of distance from club to quantity of sex.

This is the most male commentary I've read about pick up in my life

 

There is a correlation, that's clear, I just loved the wording, it felt so funny.

Edited 22 hours ago by Davino

[Puer Aeternus]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Leo Gura

Do you mean most women?