What makes you not commit suicide?

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

And yet, it might be illustrative of many of our dilemmas in life.

Points to the principle: become aware of what you're doing, and this suffering stops, because it is recognized for what it is - something one does. Stop doing it, and it doesn't exist. Less self, less suffering.  

I won’t go into this discussion again about our role in suffering we had it already and exhausted it😂😂👍🏻But yea awareness is key 

[UnbornTao]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

I won’t go into this discussion again about our role in suffering we had it already and exhausted it😂😂👍🏻But yea awareness is key 

I guess I'm stuck with suffering that, then.

[Sugarcoat]

6 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Okay now, wasn't this thread supposed to be depressive? Come on guys. Enough happiness and more hopelessness.

"What have I done to deserve my experience? Why me?"

I guess at the core it’s a curiosity about what keeps people going through adversity because I see people going through horrible things without killing themselves meanwhile I’ve had suicidal thoughts so I wondered if they have the same

Or I might take that back, sometimes I just express myself but I don’t really care for the answer 

 

Edited August 15 by Sugarcoat

[UnbornTao]

9 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I guess at the core it’s a curiosity about what keeps people going through adversity because I see people going through horrible things without killing themselves meanwhile I’ve had suicidal thoughts so I wondered if they have the same

Or I might take that back, sometimes I just express myself but I don’t really care for the answer 

 

Got it.

[UnbornTao]

The power of "stop it": 

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2025/jul/21/id-had-28-years-of-depression-now-it-was-gone-comic-paul-foot-on-three-seconds-that-changed-his-life?

Doesn't need to take 28 years, though - three seconds.

Edited August 19 by UnbornTao

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Usually it is not suicide wanted - but the ending of this current experience.

In the past it was that for me - I didn't really want to die. Just end the current iteration.

When I realized the above it made me not commit suicide.

 

[Reciprocality]

Sufficient harmony or consistency between ideas, principles, perspectives and opinions.

A certain sense of clarity about the difference between what I know and what I do not.

 

Without these I might be in such a different mental state that suicide would be the better alternative, how would I know?

[PurpleTree]

Nonduality is a big thing.

Then i enjoy travelling.

Swimming in lakes and rivers.

Sometimes hit the sauna.

Stuff like that.

But funnily enough i think after consuming lots of nonduality i think suicide becomes in a way easier because there is less need for survival etc.

[Sugarcoat]

12 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

The power of "stop it": 

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2025/jul/21/id-had-28-years-of-depression-now-it-was-gone-comic-paul-foot-on-three-seconds-that-changed-his-life?

Doesn't need to take 28 years, though - three seconds.

That’s so cool wow! Not gonna lie it’s one of those cases I wonder how someone persevered through it all… damn I can’t imagine going through decades of depression. 
 

Cases like him should be studied. Enlightenment should be studied . Imagine if the best scientists and the greatest mystics got together and worked on it damn.

I wonder how his sense of self changed after that “awakening”. Is it possible to be in such a good state permanently if you have sense of self intact that feels very real? It’s like you feel you’re this little self and suffering is infinity being scary to you.

It shows how awakening could happen to anyone. I’m tempted to say it seems very unlikely , like it’s an extreme case, but I’m not saying it’s impossible for anyone. Maybe we need to clearly see the mechanisms that cause suffering

[Sugarcoat]

12 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Usually it is not suicide wanted - but the ending of this current experience.

In the past it was that for me - I didn't really want to die. Just end the current iteration.

When I realized the above it made me not commit suicide.

 

Very true! 
 

Then once it’s realized it’s a matter of trying to somehow see a way through the suffering. Like it can feel like a big wall in front of you and you’re locked in prison and you have to get through the wall to get out. 
 

It can feel like “I can’t go through this for so long”. Sometimes the mind amplifies it too, overthinks it.

[Sugarcoat]

10 hours ago, Reciprocality said:

Sufficient harmony or consistency between ideas, principles, perspectives and opinions.

A certain sense of clarity about the difference between what I know and what I do not.

 

Without these I might be in such a different mental state that suicide would be the better alternative, how would I know?

Harmony in the  mind can def help…

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Nonduality is a big thing.

Then i enjoy travelling.

Swimming in lakes and rivers.

Sometimes hit the sauna.

Stuff like that.

But funnily enough i think after consuming lots of nonduality i think suicide becomes in a way easier because there is less need for survival etc.

Having things to enjoy or at least feel okay about is important!

I am personally quite casual about death partly as a result of how detached I tend to be from most things. So I can relate

[PurpleTree]

31 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Having things to enjoy or at least feel okay about is important!

I am personally quite casual about death partly as a result of how detached I tend to be from most things. So I can relate

For sure. Do you have stuff you enjoy?

You can go travelling to Colombia or whatever. Learn some Spanish. Take some dance classes Salsa. Stare at some trees. Met quite many women there who were travelling solo.

[UnbornTao]

19 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

That’s so cool wow! Not gonna lie it’s one of those cases I wonder how someone persevered through it all… damn I can’t imagine going through decades of depression. 
 

Cases like him should be studied. Enlightenment should be studied . Imagine if the best scientists and the greatest mystics got together and worked on it damn.

I wonder how his sense of self changed after that “awakening”. Is it possible to be in such a good state permanently if you have sense of self intact that feels very real? It’s like you feel you’re this little self and suffering is infinity being scary to you.

It shows how awakening could happen to anyone. I’m tempted to say it seems very unlikely , like it’s an extreme case, but I’m not saying it’s impossible for anyone. Maybe we need to clearly see the mechanisms that cause suffering

For sure, although I don't think that was an enlightenment experience, but rather an insight. And the insight need not be dramatic.

It was simply a case of recognizing one's activity and stopping it - like pulling one's hand out of a pot of boiling water.

Edited August 20 by UnbornTao

[Sugarcoat]

On 2025-08-20 at 1:07 AM, PurpleTree said:

For sure. Do you have stuff you enjoy?

You can go travelling to Colombia or whatever. Learn some Spanish. Take some dance classes Salsa. Stare at some trees. Met quite many women there who were travelling solo.

Most of the time I feel very neutral. And I feel like that about most things. But I can have a subtle inclination to wanna do things, for example today I went to a water park and it was decent.

[Sugarcoat]

On 2025-08-20 at 1:21 PM, UnbornTao said:

For sure, although I don't think that was an enlightenment experience, but rather an insight. And the insight need not be dramatic.

It was simply a case of recognizing one's activity and stopping it - like pulling one's hand out of a pot of boiling water.

I have the assumption that enlightenment involves insight into non duality and the end of the sense of self, or at least the sense that it’s real. So since the article didn’t include that then yea maybe it wasn’t enlightenment 

But I’m not sure what caused the change in him, if it’s like what you said. It was a day since I read it so I don’t remember but maybe… or maybe a dissolution of a layer to the identity. For me that brought me peace in the past

[UnbornTao]

20 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I have the assumption that enlightenment involves insight into non duality and the end of the sense of self, or at least the sense that it’s real. So since the article didn’t include that then yea maybe it wasn’t enlightenment 

But I’m not sure what caused the change in him, if it’s like what you said. It was a day since I read it so I don’t remember but maybe… or maybe a dissolution of a layer to the identity. For me that brought me peace in the past

Sure, thank you for that, although there's no need to speculate about what might have happened. It's simply a case that shows it's possible not to do an activity that generates suffering for yourself.

Edited August 22 by UnbornTao

[BlueOak]

Conventional spiritual thinking is you are going to start where you finished, or a reflection of the last lifetime.

As you'll build things based on pain, either avoidance, resistance, freezing, cowering, appeasement to it etc. Whatever you are chosing now as your pattern. You might say i'll design the exact opposite life! And therein would be the issue, the exact opposite isn't an integration of what you were struggling with this time either; in fact it'll just be the mirror problem. 

I also think about it occasionally. What stops me is a couple of things. Although I loathe the way the outer world is now, internally I am much more at peace than I ever was, and that's what's going with me. Its like I put myself in a pressure cooker and now things are fine, they are not good but they are okay. You'll get there if you do a lot trauma and regression work. Teal was great for that, even though I hate how much of a business they've become over there. Taking an idea I gave them an monetising it so I can't afford it! LOL

Anyway, all I am saying is it gets better, your internal state if you work on it and are good to yourself. I can absolutely 100% assure you you'll die sometime, no need to rush it. Its gonna happen. What won't happen is any moment you've ever had again, even the terrible ones are completely unique and yours. I found pain quite addictive during my healing work; its quite tangible almost, especially when you start to get the choice to live in it or not. Life almost has less in it without that internal pain, less juice but more peace.

All the best.

[Sugarcoat]

19 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Sure, thank you for that, although there's no need to speculate about what might have happened. It's simply a case that shows it's possible not to do an activity that generates suffering for yourself.

Trust me, I forget things quickly lol. I am not staying stuck on that text. 
 

I don’t even remember what it said. But yea that’s one interpretation 

[Nemo28]

deciding to kill the body is not in your power, you dont decide anything in fact. Even if something dies in you, then what?  Enter period of emptiness, despair, boredom, develop new character, continue to play the social game. The show must continue, there is no end, life will always go on.