How to transcend physical pain

[Hojo]

@SugarcoatThe main point is you can scare yourself into waking up like you can have a bad dream and get scared and force yourself out of the dream. You dont need outside stimulus torturing you to do it you can do it yourself. You just have to take the idea of death and make it right now you are  gunna die right now.

Edited Thursday at 02:49 PM by Hojo

[Schizophonia]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Obvious, no human brain no human structure. But that's not "materialistic paradigm", the brain is an energetic construction that arises in the reality, it's not "material", that is meaningless, it exist, it's an structure, same that anything else that exists. It's the result of the structure of life that's the result of the structure of universe that's the result of the structure of the existence itself that's a manifestation of the absolute limitless. It's quite simple imo 

Brain is just an hologram, a fable like everything else.

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Brain is just an hologram, a fable like everything else.

You can call it hologram but what it's sure is an structure, holographic or not

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

Yea many people probably have great potential for mystical experience it’s not just explored

I think yes, and nowadays more. But if they start reading neo advaita and current spirituality they will feel that something is wrong.  People who has real potential for mysticism use to be intelligent and intuitive, then if all the spirituality is formulated full of paradox, mistakes, twisted statements that are ultimately intended to make the guru appear elevated, basic errors and ideas taken from books without having experienced them, that person will think that spirituality is bullshit for fools who need to escape from reality out of fear

[Schizophonia]

39 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You can call it hologram but what it's sure is an structure, holographic or not

I sometimes wonder if it's possible to train your brain to see colors and shapes that are normally imperceptible.
If this is sometimes possible under psychedelics, it must be possible to train yourself to the point where you can play with these things in your everyday imagination.

[Breakingthewall]

31 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I sometimes wonder if it's possible to train your brain to see colors and shapes that are normally imperceptible.
If this is sometimes possible under psychedelics, it must be possible to train yourself to the point where you can play with these things in your everyday imagination.

Probably it is, those Indian yogis do incredible things but I prefer taking some LSD than training 30 years 😅

[Sugarcoat]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Probably it is, those Indian yogis do incredible things but I prefer taking some LSD than training 30 years 😅

I’m being honest, I could force myself to meditate for a long time (I tried in the past 1 hour a day but it seems not enough to produce mystical experience for me) but I don’t have strong desire to do it so I lack motivation for it. But I’d like to try psychedelics more. Do you think that’s enough for the openness you talk about? 

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

@SugarcoatThe main point is you can scare yourself into waking up like you can have a bad dream and get scared and force yourself out of the dream. You dont need outside stimulus torturing you to do it you can do it yourself. You just have to take the idea of death and make it right now you are  gunna die right now.

I see. So it’s like if you can scare yourself to the point where it feels you’re actually experiencing it you can then learn to accept it

[Someone here]

3 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Maybe it’s possible with extreme mindfulness

What kind of bullshit are you trying to sell me ? From the moment you open your eyes in the morning to the moment you close them in the evening you are in a nonstop suffering..anxiety..anguish ..hunger ..boredom..tiredness..wanting to shit and piss ..cold ..hot ..dizzy ..angry ..this ..that ..etc

 

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Someone here said:

What kind of bullshit are you trying to sell me ? From the moment you open your eyes in the morning to the moment you close them in the evening you are in a nonstop suffering..anxiety..anguish ..hunger ..boredom..tiredness..wanting to shit and piss ..cold ..hot ..dizzy ..angry ..this ..that ..etc

 

I’m not talking from my own experience lol

I just have heard stories about it. It’s extremely rare and maybe not even possible for most

This for example:

Man overcame pain from trigeminal neuralgia (aka suicide disease) through extreme mindfulness practice

 

[Someone here]

 

@Sugarcoat perfect.  So I have to get myself into some nightmarish hellish suffering in order to transcend suffering (because i will have no other option but surrendering )....? Brilliant. 

 

 

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

 

@Sugarcoat perfect.  So I have to get myself into some nightmarish hellish suffering in order to transcend suffering (because i will have no other option but surrendering )....? Brilliant. 

 

 

My post was a joke. I would never voluntarily torture myself I don’t have the guts to do that, very few people have

The video I mentioned is example of extreme suffering too. But if it’s possible to transcend severe pain it should be possible to transcend milder pain or mental suffering. So maybe you could apply the same technique he uses to your own suffering, whatever degree of severity it is

[Breakingthewall]

14 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I’m being honest, I could force myself to meditate for a long time (I tried in the past 1 hour a day but it seems not enough to produce mystical experience for me) but I don’t have strong desire to do it so I lack motivation for it. But I’d like to try psychedelics more. Do you think that’s enough for the openness you talk about? 

Sure, psychedelic works but that's depends about some factors. First, each person's innate structure, and second, intention. The intention must be one of openness, dissolution, and surrender. That is, if what you want is to see things, to understand, then you constantly situate yourself in a separate position. If your intention is openness, then it's possible.

It's quite simple. At a certain point, you realize that you are not looking at reality, but that you are reality. You truly realize, that there is no outside, there is no observer; this is the reality. Then, the opening can occur, which is that you, as reality, break through the limits. You are total, you have no bottom, and the vitality that emerges and permeates everything is totally obvious. You realize that you are that, that living substance that is synonymous with limitlessness. It's not that it is alive as biology, but that, being limitless, it is, and is total, everything. 

The point is achieving that openess easy, every day. At first maybe you need psychedelics, then you start to do adjustments in you energetic structure, they happen unconsciously, it's like everything else, if you really want becoming a professional boxer you will do little by little adjustments in your structure in that direction, if you really want openess, same, and things outside start to be synchronized. 

[Someone here]

@Sugarcoat I understand. and im sorry for my rude tone .

I stand by my opinion though .I gave you the punchline..suffering ends only when you die(probably).

What most people don't understand about Buddha is he wasn't seeking enlightenment as in seeking truth .he was seeking freedom from suffering.  As the story says he saw a dead man and an old man and a disabled man and it shocked him to his bones that these things are inevitable .so he went to the woods seeking salvation in meditation. Do you think he has achieved it ? No . He cowardly teached detachment and abandoning desire because he thought desire is the cause of suffering.  But where is Buddha right now ? He is dead and there is not a single bone left from him . The all mighty GOAT of spirituality couldn't end suffering. You think you can or these people can?

 

[Someone here]

@Sugarcoat I read recently that the number one reason for why intellectual atheists deny the existence of God is because  of the problem of evil or the existence of suffering in other words .if God exists and God is a loving..kind ..Good.. and merciful being and he is capable of creating a heaven for everything and everyone then why do we exist in this hell hole called this world?! And I think it's a fair question.  Leo says God is Good but goodness is not what suits your egos needs but goodness is pure fucking indifference.  Idk .. Requires some cosmic awakening. 

[Schizophonia]

I feel ashamed of not enjoying my life enough when God has given me everything, it makes me think of that.

[Hojo]

@Sugarcoat Not learn to accept it you will literally suck yourself out of your head and see God. Theres no accepting it until you wake up cause there is no answer.

Like you are having a dream and murderers are coming through your door you can shake your conciousness awake and leave the nightmare. You can do that with real life by scaring yourself about dying.

The acceptance will come at the exact moment you wake up. You say I can't do anything and then you do something but you have to be really scared.

You dont accept anything really you see you are making it up.

Edited Thursday at 06:16 PM by Hojo

[Sugarcoat]

On 2025-07-24 at 7:03 PM, Someone here said:

@Sugarcoat I understand. and im sorry for my rude tone .

I stand by my opinion though .I gave you the punchline..suffering ends only when you die(probably).

What most people don't understand about Buddha is he wasn't seeking enlightenment as in seeking truth .he was seeking freedom from suffering.  As the story says he saw a dead man and an old man and a disabled man and it shocked him to his bones that these things are inevitable .so he went to the woods seeking salvation in meditation. Do you think he has achieved it ? No . He cowardly teached detachment and abandoning desire because he thought desire is the cause of suffering.  But where is Buddha right now ? He is dead and there is not a single bone left from him . The all mighty GOAT of spirituality couldn't end suffering. You think you can or these people can?

 

It’s ok

For absolute majority suffering ends when we die

Some even say enlightenment isn’t end to suffering

So who knows

The guy in the video I sent about mindfulness and pain has at least transcended the physical. But he had to go through a lot to get to that point

I don’t know if Buddha achieved it in his life

[Sugarcoat]

On 2025-07-24 at 7:14 PM, Someone here said:

@Sugarcoat I read recently that the number one reason for why intellectual atheists deny the existence of God is because  of the problem of evil or the existence of suffering in other words .if God exists and God is a loving..kind ..Good.. and merciful being and he is capable of creating a heaven for everything and everyone then why do we exist in this hell hole called this world?! And I think it's a fair question.  Leo says God is Good but goodness is not what suits your egos needs but goodness is pure fucking indifference.  Idk .. Requires some cosmic awakening. 

I understand. For a human it’s a lot to stomach that even torture is “infinite love”

[Sugarcoat]

23 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Sugarcoat Not learn to accept it you will literally suck yourself out of your head and see God. Theres no accepting it until you wake up cause there is no answer.

Like you are having a dream and murderers are coming through your door you can shake your conciousness awake and leave the nightmare. You can do that with real life by scaring yourself about dying.

The acceptance will come at the exact moment you wake up. You say I can't do anything and then you do something but you have to be really scared.

You dont accept anything really you see you are making it up.

Ok cool