Resources to go vegan.

[aurum]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

You are your gut bacteria.

There's a practical distinction here worth making.

Fats, proteins and most carbs your main digestive system breaks down. Fiber, you do not. It's fermented by gut bacteria in the large intestine. 

You could live a very long time without fiber, or even carbohydrates at all. Carbohydrates are somewhat optional.

Not true for fat and protein.

Most essential list: fat / protein > digestible carbohydrates > fiber

[Jannes]

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

Ahah if you shit every 3 days you don't just eat to little fibers, i'm almost sure even carnivores poo more than that.

Why would it be bad for brain ?

In most cases it implies that you eat certain foods that arent good for your gut health and mind. Like you just feel bad when you eat too much wheat. 

I must admit that I dont know how it would be for carnivores who get their whole calories from meat. 

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

It didn't come from a particular food, just too much fiber (like >50g per day) triggered brain fog, mood issues, and then gut pain; just like drinking too much milk actually.

I see. Yeah the fiber can become a little much at times with legumes and stuff. You can adapt to it over time but there are limits to it. 

[PsychedelicEagle]

Btw, this is my Cronometer entry for today -- a normal day.

[aurum]

8 minutes ago, PsychedelicEagle said:

What I mean is, animal protein has significantly more EAAs than plants, so we end up over upregulating IGF-1. I know the general message nowadays, especially on mainstream venues, is to focus on protein intake and build as much muscle mass as possible to avoid sarcopenia. But this perspective lacks the understanding that upregulating anabolism too much leads to faster aging. As with everything, there's a balance, and my point is that we are far beyond the equilibrium point as a society. People are not dying because they are underactivating mTOR; rather the opposite. EAAs play a role in metabolic syndrome -- it's not only sugar as many like to think. Overconsuming EAAs by eating either animal or plant-based diets hurts longevity; it just happens that it's way easier to overconsume it in animal diets.

People in general are not over upregulating IGF-1 because they're eating high quality protein.

If anything, most modern people are under-consuming protein. They're just eating processed garbage and carbs.

Too many empty calories, too little nutrient density.

Exceptions of course apply.

[aurum]

1 minute ago, PsychedelicEagle said:

Btw, this is my Cronometer entry for today -- a normal day.

103.3g of fiber and 96.9g of protein???

Bruh 

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, PsychedelicEagle said:

This mostly happens in dysbiotic, leaky guts or in those with SIBO, when fiber is introduced too fast.

The flipside: fiber feeds beneficial gut bacteria (e.g., Bifidobacteria, Akkermansia) that outcompete LPS-producing Gram-negative bacteria.

Eating fiber is like going to the gym -- consistency over the long-term sets you up for success.

The more fiber there is, the more damage there will be to the intestines, whether from unfermented fecal matter or from gas because of fermentation.

Fiber will feed Gram-negative bacterias anyway

Then it depends on the type of fiber, soluble and insoluble, lectin content etc; Overall some foods prominent in the vegan diet like beans are terrible in high amount.

Ditto for nuts, peanuts, pseudo cereals...

 

[Carl-Richard]

3 minutes ago, aurum said:

There's a practical distinction here worth making.

Fats, proteins and most carbs your main digestive system breaks down. Fiber, you do not. It's fermented by gut bacteria in the large intestine. 

You could live a very long time without fiber, or even carbohydrates at all. Carbohydrates are somewhat optional.

Not true for fat and protein.

Most essential list: fat / protein > digestible carbohydrates > fiber

I know all about it and I also thought NAL had a quirky definition. Nevertheless, when I took large doses of strong antibiotics to treat a scalp infection (and I was otherwise feeling well, no fever or anything), I didn't feel like myself. Nuking something that lives in your gut and communicates with your brain, either with antibiotics or severe lack of fiber, not a good idea.

[PsychedelicEagle]

2 minutes ago, aurum said:

most modern people are under-consuming protein

This is the kind of thinking that leads people to consume loads of protein powder (empty calories, lacking micronutrients) and not real foods.

[PsychedelicEagle]

3 minutes ago, aurum said:

103.3g of fiber and 96.9g of protein???

Told you that fiber is an essential macronutrient 

[aurum]

2 minutes ago, PsychedelicEagle said:

This is the kind of thinking that leads people to consume loads of protein powder (empty calories, lacking micronutrients) and not real foods.

Still true.

I don't recommend protein powders for the most part. They have their own problems.

1 minute ago, PsychedelicEagle said:

Told you that fiber is an essential macronutrient 

You don't need more fiber than protein.

Your priorities are backwards.

[aurum]

6 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I know all about it and I also thought NAL had a quirky definition. Nevertheless, when I took large doses of strong antibiotics to treat a scalp infection (and I was otherwise feeling well, no fever or anything), I didn't feel like myself. Nuking something that lives in your gut and communicates with your brain, either with antibiotics or severe lack of fiber, not a good idea.

I agree.

I eat some fiber.

[Schizophonia]

8 minutes ago, Jannes said:

In most cases it implies that you eat certain foods that arent good for your gut health and mind. Like you just feel bad when you eat too much wheat. 

No wheat is very digest and has a decent GI, it's also less contaminated and way more nutritious than white rice.

Gluten is overrated and fibers + anti nutrients underrated about gut issues.

Nobody get gut issues because of gluten it's a fad, but plenty of people develop gut issues while becoming vegan because of some foods who are rich in proteins on paper but are gut boxers.

You know it anyway it's not proper food when you are in front of your bowl of beans lol, beans are not supposed to be ate in large amount everyday and/and cooked for a long time, generated in fat for the taste and the soothing properties on the intestines.

 

 

[Carl-Richard]

14 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Admitting they pass through the blood exogenous neurotransmitters do not cross the blood-brain barrier or almost, so it doesn't matter.

That doesn't matter when the gut literally has its own nervous system which communicates with the brain.

[Schizophonia]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

That doesn't matter when the gut literally has its own nervous system which communicates with the brain.

Yea but empirically i feel better with way less fibers. 

[PsychedelicEagle]

6 minutes ago, aurum said:

You don't need more fiber than protein.

Your priorities are backwards.

I deliberately limit my protein intake to stay on medium/lower side of methionine and BCAAs, and I still think I could reduce it further.

Consider that your overprioritization of protein is what could be backwards. As I mentioned, overconsuming protein accelerates aging. You don't need more than 0.8g/kg of bodyweight -- and this already has a safety margin to it. Eating way beyond that would only justify if you are extremely active or an older adult (and even here some longevity researchers would disagree).

If we are not discussing longevity then it could also justify eating more protein, but realize there's a tradeoff.

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Yea but empirically i feel better with way less fibers. 

Try eating a kiwi (with skin) for breakfast instead of having a glass of orange juice and see what feels better.

Edited yesterday at 07:44 PM by Carl-Richard

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

Try eating a kiwi (with skin) for breakfast instead of having a glass of orange juice and see what feels better.

It don't will do differences beyond placebo effect.

[aurum]

1 minute ago, PsychedelicEagle said:

I deliberately limit my protein intake to stay on medium/lower side of methionine and BCAAs, and I still think I could reduce it further.

Consider that your overprioritization of protein is what could be backwards. As I mentioned, overconsuming protein accelerates aging. You don't need more than 0.8g/kg of bodyweight -- and this already has a safety margin to it. Eating way beyond that would only justify if you are extremely active or an older adult (and even here some longevity researchers would disagree).

If we are not discussing longevity then it could also justify eating more protein, but realize there's a tradeoff.

And how much fiber do you need for longevity?

[PsychedelicEagle]

30 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

The more fiber there is, the more damage there will be to the intestines, whether from unfermented fecal matter or from gas because of fermentation.

Fiber will feed Gram-negative bacterias anyway

Then it depends on the type of fiber, soluble and insoluble, lectin content etc; Overall some foods prominent in the vegan diet like beans are terrible in high amount.

Ditto for nuts, peanuts, pseudo cereals...

Where are the studies justifying this mechanism? Plus, notice that one can come up with mechanisms for everything. I can easily mention several mechanisms doing exactly the opposite. Just google "fiber intake and lps" and you will see most results against what you propose.

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, PsychedelicEagle said:

Where are the studies justifying this mechanism? Plus, notice that one can come up with mechanisms for everything. I can easily mention several mechanisms doing exactly the opposite. Just google "fiber intake and lps" and you will see most results against what you propose.

What mechanism ?

Edited yesterday at 07:57 PM by Schizophonia