Resources to go vegan.

[RendHeaven]

13 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

nuts in my mouth

gang

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, RendHeaven said:

you forgot to dip it in seed oils!

Walnut oil taste good eheh, i sometime put some in my pastas.

Rarely because it's expansive.

[Jannes]

On 22.7.2025 at 6:08 PM, Schizophonia said:

racism. 

 

[Schizophonia]

42 minutes ago, Jannes said:

 

"Be vegan, eat my baguette not corpses" 

[PsychedelicEagle]

Protein myth.

Everyone's worried about protein, when actually the macronutrient people are the most defficient nowadays is fiber.

The less protein you eat -- as long as it's not so low to make you defficient -- the better for longevity. Valter Longo for example suggests the 0.8 g/kg of bodyweight target for young adults, which for someone of 80kg would be 64g/day. This you easily get on a whole-food plant-based diet if you're not on a significant caloric deficit.

Plus, "essential aminoacids" found in higher concentrations in animal protein are the ones that upregulate IGF-1 via mTOR the most -- metabolic pathways linked to faster aging and insulin resistance. So, the "protein bioavailability" of animal sources is more detrimental than good. Of course, if you are in a state of malnutrition then better to have them, but that's almost no one nowadays.

Micronutrients.

Instead of worrying about protein, IMO it's more fundamental to take a closer look at other micronutrients such as Zinc, Calcium, B12, Omega 3, etc.

[aurum]

37 minutes ago, PsychedelicEagle said:

Protein myth.

Everyone's worried about protein, when actually the macronutrient people are the most defficient nowadays is fiber.

The less protein you eat -- as long as it's not so low to make you defficient -- the better for longevity. Valter Longo for example suggests the 0.8 g/kg of bodyweight target for young adults, which for someone of 80kg would be 64g/day. This you easily get on a whole-food plant-based diet if you're not on a significant caloric deficit.

Plus, "essential aminoacids" found in higher concentrations in animal protein are the ones that upregulate IGF-1 via mTOR the most -- metabolic pathways linked to faster aging and insulin resistance. So, the "protein bioavailability" of animal sources is more detrimental than good. Of course, if you are in a state of malnutrition then better to have them, but that's almost no one nowadays.

Micronutrients.

Instead of worrying about protein, IMO it's more fundamental to take a closer look at other micronutrients such as Zinc, Calcium, B12, Omega 3, etc.

This is false.

Fiber is not even a macronutrient. Some fiber is fine, especially if you're looking to lose weight. But it's not that essential.

And yes, sometimes you WANT to up regulate mTOR. That's anabolism. You cannot just be in a catabolic state all the time.

[PsychedelicEagle]

13 minutes ago, aurum said:

This is false.

This is false.

13 minutes ago, aurum said:

it's not that essential

In the same way that Sunlight is not that essential either.

13 minutes ago, aurum said:

sometimes you WANT to up regulate mTOR

Sometimes you WANT to down regulate mTOR. You cannot just be in an anabolic state all the time.

Edited Thursday at 05:47 PM by PsychedelicEagle

[aurum]

3 minutes ago, PsychedelicEagle said:

This is false.

In the same way that Sunlight is not that essential either.

Sometimes you WANT to down regulate mTOR. You cannot just be in an anabolic state all the time.

You stated that EAAs in animal protein are more detrimental than good.

Sunlight is likely more essential than fiber.

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, aurum said:

This is false.

Fiber is not even a macronutrient. Some fiber is fine, especially if you're looking to lose weight. But it's not that essential.

 

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Macronutrients are types of foods that are needed in large quantities in the diet. These include carbohydrates, proteins, fats, fiber, and water. Find information about most macronutrients below.

https://www.nal.usda.gov/human-nutrition-and-food-safety/food-composition/macronutrients

If I don't eat enough fiber (certainly in the form of fruits and vegetables), my mind and body stops functioning, so I would definitely want to call it a macronutrient. I include a certain amount of fiber containing foods as a nutrition goal on the same line as protein, fats and carbs.

Edited Thursday at 06:41 PM by Carl-Richard

[Schizophonia]

7 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

 

https://www.nal.usda.gov/human-nutrition-and-food-safety/food-composition/macronutrients

If I don't eat enough fiber (certainly in the form of fruits and vegetables), my mind and body stops functioning, so I would definitely want to call it a macronutrient. I include a certain amount of fiber containing foods as a nutrition goal on the same line as protein, fats and carbs.

What do you mean

[Jannes]

5 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

What do you mean

Your brain is connected to your gut, a healthy gut supported by fiber can definitely have a big impact on your mind. 

Also eating healthy makes you feel good of course. 

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, Jannes said:

Your brain is connected to your gut, a healthy gut supported by fiber can definitely have a big impact on your mind. 

Also eating healthy makes you feel good of course. 

Fibers can produce LPS, which negatively affects the brain.
When i was almost vegan and ate plenty of fiber i had a terrible brain fog and was angry/mean.

 

[Jannes]

4 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Fibers can produce LPS, which negatively affects the brain.
When i was almost vegan and ate plenty of fiber i had a terrible brain fog and was angry/mean.

 

When you get to little and only take a shit every 3 days its also terrible for the brain. 

You would need to elobarate again how you did the diet otherwise I am not convinced it wasnt for some other reason. 

[aurum]

20 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

https://www.nal.usda.gov/human-nutrition-and-food-safety/food-composition/macronutrients

If I don't eat enough fiber (certainly in the form of fruits and vegetables), my mind and body stops functioning, so I would definitely want to call it a macronutrient. I include a certain amount of fiber containing foods as a nutrition goal on the same line as protein, fats and carbs.

The NAL is using a quirky definition of macronutrient here.

Fiber is literally a carbohydrate humans cannot digest. It's for your gut bacteria.

Fiber is good, but you certainly don't need as much as you need protein, fat or digestible carbs.

[PsychedelicEagle]

52 minutes ago, aurum said:

You stated that EAAs in animal protein are more detrimental than good.

What I mean is, animal protein has significantly more EAAs than plants, so we end up over upregulating IGF-1. I know the general message nowadays, especially on mainstream venues, is to focus on protein intake and build as much muscle mass as possible to avoid sarcopenia. But this perspective lacks the understanding that upregulating anabolism too much leads to faster aging. As with everything, there's a balance, and my point is that we are far beyond the equilibrium point as a society. People are not dying because they are underactivating mTOR; rather the opposite. EAAs play a role in metabolic syndrome -- it's not only sugar as many like to think. Overconsuming EAAs by eating either animal or plant-based diets hurts longevity; it just happens that it's way easier to overconsume it in animal diets.

[Carl-Richard]

20 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

What do you mean

It stops functioning the same way as when eating complete garbage foods instead of foods with the right amount of proteins, fats, carbs. I arrived at this experientially, but the science confirms it: fiber literally feeds your microbiome and your microbiome synthesizes neurotransmitters among other things. Fiber dampens the toxic effects of post-prandial glucose. Also, I like steady bowel movements.

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, aurum said:

The NAL is using a quirky definition of macronutrient here.

Fiber is literally a carbohydrate humans cannot digest. It's for your gut bacteria.

You are your gut bacteria.

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, Jannes said:

When you get to little and only take a shit every 3 days its also terrible for the brain. 

Ahah if you shit every 3 days you don't just eat to little fibers, i'm almost sure even carnivores poo more than that.

Why would it be bad for brain ?

1 minute ago, Jannes said:

You would need to elobarate again how you did the diet otherwise I am not convinced it wasnt for some other reason. 

It didn't come from a particular food, just too much fiber (like >50g per day) triggered brain fog, mood issues, and then gut pain; just like drinking too much milk actually.

[Schizophonia]

6 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

It stops functioning the same way as when eating complete garbage foods instead of foods with the right amount of proteins, fats, carbs. I arrived at this experientially, but the science confirms it: fiber literally feeds your microbiome and your microbiome synthesizes neurotransmitters among other things. Fiber dampens the toxic effects of post-prandial glucose. Also, I like steady bowel movements.

Admitting they pass through the blood exogenous neurotransmitters do not cross the blood-brain barrier or almost, so it doesn't matter.

Edited Thursday at 07:15 PM by Schizophonia

[PsychedelicEagle]

10 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Fibers can produce LPS

This mostly happens in dysbiotic, leaky guts or in those with SIBO, when fiber is introduced too fast.

The flipside: fiber feeds beneficial gut bacteria (e.g., Bifidobacteria, Akkermansia) that outcompete LPS-producing Gram-negative bacteria.

Eating fiber is like going to the gym -- consistency over the long-term sets you up for success.