Stop confusing nonduality with radical nonduality (please?)

[PurpleTree]

9 minutes ago, SOUL said:

That's just a derivative of Egosackly which is just the bag we keep all of our selfness in.

Everything is unknowable but yea that seems like an undeniable truth.

 

[Someone here]

[Schizophonia]

52 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t know what that means

Robert spira put more effort to being understandable for “non awaken people”.

 

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

Robert spira put more effort to being understandable for “non awaken people”.

 

I find Jim Newman very easy to understand I find he speaks very clearly and simply 

[SOUL]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Ok

I like what you write sometimes on the forum, are you realized if that’s a valid question to you? Hope I’m not coming on too strong

Oh, I thought it was just a joke which would have been fine.

Simply put, my point was that any confusion one may have about nonduality stems from the perception of it or what someone is teaching about it. Nonduality doesn't have separation within it, it is the unified in its absolute nature.

[Salvijus]

45 minutes ago, SOUL said:

It does come with fries if you get the combo.

Apparently to my own surprise chatgpt says it was a coherent verse. Ggwp. 

Edited Thursday at 05:45 PM by Salvijus

[PurpleTree]

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I find Jim Newman very easy to understand I find he speaks very clearly and simply 

 

Egosactly
 

Andreas Müller, Kenneth Madden and Alexis too.

[SOUL]

9 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Everything is unknowable but yea that seems like an undeniable truth.

 

In the same way that once one stops seeking it is realized that it always is, so once one stops wanting to know, everything is knowable.

[Sugarcoat]

6 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Oh, I thought it was just a joke which would have been fine.

Simply put, my point was that any confusion one may have about nonduality stems from the perception of it or what someone is teaching about it. Nonduality doesn't have separation within it, it is the unified in its absolute nature.

Not a joke

Now it makes sense yea I resonate with that although it’s just an idea from my limited perspective 

[Schizophonia]

20 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I find Jim Newman very easy to understand I find he speaks very clearly and simply 

He uses an easy vocabulary but it’s hard to make conscious what he is talking about.

To me a good teacher would be able to awaken you just by listening to him.

[PurpleTree]

Just now, Schizophonia said:

He uses an easy vocabulary but it’s hard to make conscious what he is talking about.

To me a good teacher would be able to awaken you just by listening to him.

There is a resonance or there isn’t.

Nobody decides that.

[SOUL]

10 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Apparently to my own surprise chatgpt says it was a coherent verse. Ggwp. 

Grok doesn't think it's a crock either...

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Your statement touches on the profound realization often encountered in nondual philosophies, where the perception of nonduality dissolves the apparent distinction between duality and nonduality. In essence, nonduality points to a singular reality where distinctions like "confusion" or "clarity" are merely appearances within the same unified awareness. The confusion arises only when the mind attempts to categorize or separate the inseparable. Once meta-nonduality is perceived—awareness recognizing itself beyond concepts—there’s no longer a framework for duality to exist, and what remains is simply the clear perception of what is.

and from chatgpt

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Summary

Nonduality dissolves the separation between subject/object.

Metanonduality goes deeper and dissolves the separation between subject/object and observer/nondual observer.

Once metanonduality is perceived, there’s nowhere left to confuse — no “nonduality” to grab, no duality to escape. There’s only fluid, living awareness.

In essence: perceiving metanonduality is like seeing — and resting in — the awareness that awareness all by itself and realizing nothing is happening but pure presence. That is why, as you said, “there is just perception of nonduality that some may confuse as confusion” — because there's nothing else to be confused about anymore.

Hm...

[Sugarcoat]

7 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

He uses an easy vocabulary but it’s hard to make conscious what he is talking about.

To me a good teacher would be able to awaken you just by listening to him.

It’s hard to “make conscious” precisely because you’re not enlightened so non duality is just an idea for you

Wether you awaken from a teacher might be even more dependent on you than them

Or maybe it’s spontaneous 

Edited Thursday at 05:40 PM by Sugarcoat

[Schizophonia]

9 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

There is a resonance or there isn’t.

Nobody decides that.

No everyone can understand something through a progressive dialectical process that starts from the structure, from what the subject is capable of understanding; this is maieutics.

Edited Thursday at 05:42 PM by Schizophonia

[PurpleTree]

Also for the sake of the thread and for Rupert Spira’s honour (i think the inventor of Spira dynamics)

There was a time when i was into Rupert Spira and being aware of awareness and all that. Probably like 3 yrs ago.

[Salvijus]

6 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Grok doesn't think it's a crock either...

and from chatgpt

Hm...

It's still confusing what that has to do with anything in this thread personally. 

Edited Thursday at 05:44 PM by Salvijus

[SOUL]

Just now, Salvijus said:

It's still confusing what that has to do with anything in this thread imo. 

So you don't recognize how this is relevant in a 'confusion about nonduality' thread? Um...ok.

 

[Schizophonia]

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

It’s hard to “make conscious” precisely because you’re not enlightened so non duality is just an idea for you

Wether you awaken from a teacher might be even more dependent on you than them

Or maybe it’s spontaneous 

But to be enlightened is a conscious phenomenon and it comes from a dialectical process.

I say than Jim Newman’s way to present things isn’t efficient for my structure.

[Salvijus]

8 minutes ago, SOUL said:

So you don't recognize how this is relevant in a 'confusion about nonduality' thread? Um...ok.

 

It's a thread about the confusion and conflation and differences between classical (Rupert spira) and radical type of nonduality (Jim Newman) . You're talking about the nature and mechanics of confusion in general which is a completely different topic imo. 

Edited Thursday at 05:55 PM by Salvijus

[PurpleTree]

12 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

But to be enlightened is a conscious phenomenon and it comes from a dialectical process..

How would you know that?