Stop confusing nonduality with radical nonduality (please?)

[SOUL]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Honesty i have no idea how i got here and why im pointing this out. 

Meditate on it.

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, SOUL said:

Meditate on it.

There’s no free will

[SOUL]

Just now, PurpleTree said:

There’s no free will

So you had no choice in saying that..um, ok.

[Salvijus]

6 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Meditate on it.

The final outcome feels really good. So that's a good sign. I feel the light.. Maybe Im addicted to that feeling of light. 

Edited Thursday at 07:20 PM by Salvijus

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, SOUL said:

So you had no choice in saying that..um, ok.

Egosactly 

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

There’s no free will

But you’re not conscious of that. It’s just an idea to you so what’s the point in keep saying these radical non dual things when you still have a self

Same for me btw

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

But you’re not conscious of that. It’s just an idea to you so what’s the point in keep saying these radical non dual things when you still have a self

Same for me btw

It’s a resonance not a concept or idea for me.

And even science doubts free will no?

[SOUL]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Egosactly 

Maybe the thread should be about the difference between NPCs

It might be more interesting discussing the distinction between non-playable character and non-person consciousness.

[PurpleTree]

Just now, SOUL said:

Maybe the thread should be about the difference between NPCs

It might be more interesting discussing the distinction between non-playable character and non-person consciousness.

You could make that thread.

[Carl-Richard]

You're describing kataphatic vs apophatic theology.

[SOUL]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

You could make that thread.

Apparently, I don't have the free will to do that.

[Sugarcoat]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

It’s a resonance not a concept or idea for me.

And even science doubts free will no?

Ok I could add that it’s a resonance for me too

I I don’t know what science says about that

[PurpleTree]

Just now, SOUL said:

Apparently, I don't have the free will to do that.

You also don’t have free will not to do it.

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Ok I could add that it’s a resonance for me too

I I don’t know what science says about that

Ok i asked chat gpt

Science has no unified answer to the question of free will, but researchers across neuroscience, psychology, and physics have explored it deeply — and the results challenge traditional ideas of what free will might be.

 

 

 

 

🔬 

Neuroscience: The Brain Acts Before You Know It

 

 

One of the most famous studies comes from Benjamin Libet in the 1980s:

 

Libet found that brain activity (a “readiness potential”) precedes a person’s conscious decision to move by about 300–500 milliseconds.

That suggests: your brain starts preparing actions before you’re aware of deciding.

 

 

Many later studies have supported and extended this — for example, researchers can now predict a person’s decisions several seconds before they report deciding.

 

🧠 Implication: Free will might be an illusion — we may be rationalizing choices after our brain already made them.

 

 

 

 

🧠 

Psychology: Bias, Conditioning, and Lack of Control

 

 

Psychological studies show:

 

Much of our behavior is influenced by unconscious biases, habits, priming, or external cues.

We often confabulate reasons for actions we didn’t consciously choose (like in split-brain patients).

 

 

📌 Implication: Human decisions are heavily shaped by factors outside our awareness, making true “freedom” of will questionable.

 

 

 

 

⚛️ 

Physics: Determinism vs Indeterminism

 

 

 

Classical Physics (Newtonian):

 

 

The universe is deterministic — every action is the result of previous causes. If this were fully true, free will wouldn’t exist, because all choices would be pre-determined.

 

 

 

Quantum Mechanics:

 

 

Introduces randomness and probabilistic events at the smallest scale.

But randomness ≠ free will — a random choice isn’t a willed choice.

 

 

🔍 Implication: Physics hasn’t rescued free will — either everything is determined, or it’s random, but neither gives us the “freedom” we feel.

 

 

 

 

🧩 

So… Is Free Will an Illusion?

 

 

Many scientists lean toward compatibilism — the idea that:

 

Even if determinism is true, we can still define free will as the ability to act according to our goals, desires, and reasoning — without coercion.

In this view, free will = internal decision-making, not metaphysical independence from causality.

 

 

🔄 Others, like Sam Harris, argue that free will is completely illusory — and that recognizing this increases empathy and reduces blame.

 

 

 

 

✅ Summary Table:

 

Field

Key Insight

Impact on Free Will

Neuroscience

Brain acts before conscious awareness

Undermines the idea of conscious control

Psychology

Behavior shaped by hidden influences

Suggests our choices aren’t fully “ours”

Physics

Determinism or randomness dominate

No space for traditional free will

Philosophy

Compatibilism is still widely defended

Redefines free will as rational autonomy

 

 

 

 

🔎 Final Thought:

 

 

Science doesn’t prove that free will exists — but it shows that our decisions are deeply influenced by unconscious processes, biology, and environment. Whether or not you call that “free will” is partly a philosophical choice.

 

Would you like to explore how this affects morality, responsibility, or criminal justice? Those are major areas where this debate becomes very real.

 

[SOUL]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

You're describing kataphatic vs apophatic theology.

That's the most intellectual way of saying that....but also quite accurate.

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, SOUL said:

That's the most intellectual way of saying that....but also quite accurate.

And that's not a problem.

Edited Thursday at 07:36 PM by Carl-Richard

[SOUL]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

You also don’t have free will not to do it.

You can't make me do it....it seems nobody can.

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, SOUL said:

You can't make me do it....it seems nobody can.

You’re probably not able or scared to do it. Haha soo scared.

 

 

[SOUL]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

And that's not a problem.

[SOUL]

Just now, PurpleTree said:

You’re probably not able or scared to do it. Haha soo scared.

 

 

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, SOUL said:

If I had access to nuclear launch codes, the first thing that would make me pull the trigger is people saying being intellectual is a problem.