Stop confusing nonduality with radical nonduality (please?)

[Schizophonia]

5 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

 

Then it seems enlightenment can have some sort of neural basis and there could be tangible methods increasing the chance of it

5 MeO DMT  

Edited Thursday at 03:38 PM by Schizophonia

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

If the self is in the brain

And psychedelics act on the brain to temporarily alter or dissolve the self

And if enlightenment means no self

Then it seems enlightenment can have some sort of neural basis and there could be tangible methods increasing the chance of it

Show me the people who got enlightened from listening to Rupert Spira or Eckhart Tolle.

[Salvijus]

10 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

It’s the blind leading the blind.

Like a fat person giving advice on how to lose weight.

I mean there’s no free will anyway probably but its bs

You're jumping to unbased conclusions about me. Instead allow the validity of my reasoning determine whether it was written by a blind person or not. 

Edited Thursday at 03:40 PM by Salvijus

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

You're jumping to conclusions about me. Instead examine the validity of my reasoning and then determine if it was written by a blind person or not. 

I think that’s what’s partly „wrong“ with the world. People who know nothing trying to lead others. (In the story)

[Salvijus]

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

If the self is in the brain

And psychedelics act on the brain to temporarily alter or dissolve the self

And if enlightenment means no self

Then it seems enlightenment can have some sort of neural basis and there could be tangible methods increasing the chance of it

It's probably more complex then that but yea. 

[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I think that’s what’s partly „wrong“ with the world. People who know nothing trying to lead others. (In the story)

How did you conclude I know nothing if you haven't examined if my reasoning is correct or not? 

Edited Thursday at 03:43 PM by Salvijus

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

How did you conclude I know nothing if you haven't examined if my reasoning is correct or not? 

Ultimately there’s nobody who knows anything really i‘d say. But some act as if they know stuff and can lead others. 

[Salvijus]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Ultimately there’s nobody who knows anything really i‘d say. But some act as if they know stuff and can lead others. 

There still is correct reasoning and incorrect reasoning. Like 2+2=4 and not 3.

I ask you again, how did you conclude I'm wrong about everything before examining the reasoning I gave? 

Edited Thursday at 03:52 PM by Salvijus

[Sugarcoat]

21 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

@Sugarcoat I just watched a Robert Spira's video out of curiosity, i quite like it it's more comprehensible than Jim Newman.

 

Looks like all non dual teacher are clones who talk the same way, have similar facial expression and wear the same unicolor shirts lol.  

I don’t know if they’re speaking from the same place but I find both have truth to it

[Sugarcoat]

18 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Show me the people who got enlightened from listening to Rupert Spira or Eckhart Tolle.

I don’t know, I was mostly talking about things that change the brain, so psychedelics and hardcore spiritual practice

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

There still is correct reasoning and incorrect reasoning. Like 2+2=4 and not 3.

I ask you again, how did you conclude I'm wrong about everything before examining the reasoning I gave? 

Because you’re not enlightened but you say what you „need to do to become enlightened“ it’s nonsense. 

[Sugarcoat]

13 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

It's probably more complex then that but yea. 

Yea but I guess it’s one piece to the puzzle

[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Because you’re not enlightened but you say what you „need to do to become enlightened“ it’s nonsense. 

Enlightened means one who speaks the truth. How did you conclude I speak bullshit before examining my words? 

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Yea but I guess it’s one piece to the puzzle

Radical nondualists would maybe say 

There are no pieces

theres no puzzle

or if there is a puzzle every piece was always at it rightful place already.

4 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t know, I was mostly talking about things that change the brain, so psychedelics and hardcore spiritual practice

I think psychedelics can give you interesting insights and experiences abd can given you creativity and open you up etc. but they can’t liberate you really.

Edited Thursday at 03:59 PM by PurpleTree

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

Enlightened means one who speaks the truth. How did you conclude I speak bullshit before examining my words? 

Bro i‘m done bye

[Schizophonia]

8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t know if they’re speaking from the same place but I find both have truth to it

Jim Newman seems more “radical”, be far, but it makes him more hermetic.

Nevermind 

[Someone here]

 

[Salvijus]

8 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Bro i‘m done bye

🙏

[Sugarcoat]

14 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Radical nondualists would maybe say 

There are no pieces

theres no puzzle

or if there is a puzzle every piece was always at it rightful place already.

It seems that enlightenment is possible because we have a brain. So a table can’t be enlightened because it has no consciousness/no brain. 

So maybe the brain plays a role in enlightenment.

The brain is like a type of form that creates (or at least contributes to) a conscious experience/self, so it has the possibility of getting in touch with the true nature of reality, for the person to become enlightened 

Nothing I say is something I know of course. 
 

14 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I think psychedelics can give you interesting insights and experiences abd can given you creativity and open you up etc. but they can’t liberate you really.

Permanent enlightenment in general seems highly unlikely. But maybe psychedelics can increase chance for it, Martin ball for example who used 5 Meo dmt

Edited Thursday at 04:14 PM by Sugarcoat

[Sugarcoat]

8 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Jim Newman seems more “radical”, be far, but it makes him more hermetic.

Nevermind 

I don’t know what that means