Meditation as the unwinding of energy

[Carl-Richard]

When you've attained the ability to sit in meditation for an extended period of time, which might require a certain degree of deconstruction for you to get there without excessive inner turmoil, it becomes clear that meditation is not just a behavioral process of sitting down and following a certain directive or technique, but in fact also an energetic process.

What is this energy and what is the process? To get a sense of what the energy "is", you can try a technique like third eye meditation. You "stare" with your inner eye on a point between and slightly above your eyebrows, ideally after holding your finger close to the skin such that you create a tingling sensation. Then you "stare" at this tingling sensation and make it grow. And you might notice the sensation will spread across your forehead, and also that other sensations in your body seem to behave in the same way or even add to the sensation. This is one way to identify the type of energy we're talking about, which is a subtle form of energy which constantly travels through your body and which you can become more perceptive to with practice.

To get a clearer sense of the energetic "process" (the dynamic aspect of the energy, how it travels, how it moves), you can try a technique coined by Martin Ball as "fractal energetic yoga" (20:05 for illustration). You sit or stand in a room with quite a bit of free space (or outside, but ideally on a comfortable surface) and make sure your limbs and fingers and generally your entire body are bilaterally symmetrical (your left side mirrors your right side). Then you simply sit or stand still in bilateral symmetry for a while, and then you try to move while keeping bilateral symmetry. Then try to notice how moving in a certain way is more natural or more flowy than others, where you feel a natural groove that you can tap into. If you do this enough, you might notice yourself moving spontaneously outside your will. That is when you're inhabiting the natural energetic process, the innate dynamic flow of energy that your body produces.

When you have identified the energy, what it is, and how it moves, you can start to do this in your sitting meditation. As you sit there, try to notice this subtle energy and its natural flow that is going through your body. As you become more and more relaxed, as you release tensions in your body, see how the energy is executing these actions, see how it makes you move in these subtle subtle ways. Allow it to do this, observe how it's best allowed to flow. See where the energy is headed. Naturally, it's heading for your head. When you feel the energy accumulating in your head (specifically your forehead), and you feel the connection between the flow in the rest of your body and your head, strengthen that connection. Let your head become a transmission tower for your innate energy.

As you transmit and release this energy, you will feel lighter, more fluid, more present. And as you continue, also in tandem with whatever meditation techniques you use, your meditation becomes deeper.


So this is meditation as unwinding of energy, of emptying out and riding the natural waves of your energy. And over time, you might notice tapping into this natural flow while going about your life, in your movements, or even in your thought. This is when you start embodying or channeling the will of God. When this will becomes too strong to resist, you are now Enlightened.

Edited July 13 by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

Another way of increasing your awareness of energy is to engage with highly energetic teachers (or just any teachers). Jan Esmann is the most energetic I've come across. Martin Ball who I mentioned is highly energetic. Sadhguru as well. Another is Mata Amritanandamayi.

Edited July 13 by Carl-Richard

[Davino]

@Carl-Richard Thanks for sharing the Martin Ball video. It was interesting to watch.

55 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Jan Esmann is the most energetic I've come across.

I didn't know him, def a genetic freak.

I feel so good just after watching his shaktipat. Good stuff.

Edited July 13 by Davino

[aurum]

I notice nothing from watching Jan Esmann.

 

[Sugarcoat]

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

You "stare" with your inner eye

Does this simply mean placing your attention on it?

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

 ideally after holding your finger close to the skin such that you create a tingling sensation.
 

Do you touch your skin to create a physical tingling sensation?

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

 And you might notice the sensation will spread across your forehead, and also that other sensations in your body seem to behave in the same way or even add to the sensation. This is one way to identify the type of energy we're talking about, which is a subtle form of energy which constantly travels through your body and which you can become more perceptive to with practice.

 

How do you know it’s energy and not just physical sensation?

In the past when I’ve done practice I used to meditate and sometimes my blood flow would get kinda blocked in my butt and it would start hurting a little. And I lowkey found that if I placed my attention on it and held it there, it kinda changed my relationship to the sensation and eased the pain.

I have also done practice from eckhart tolle where you place and hold attention to one body part at a time then the whole body at once. You’ll feel the vibrational energy in each body part and it grows when you put your attention on it then you feel the entire bodies energy it’s quite calming

Also during sleep paralysis I’ve felt all sorts of energies I think there’s something spiritual about it there too

Edited July 13 by Sugarcoat

[Ishanga]

Energy is the thing that allows all of this that we sense with our normal senses to exist, without Energy then how can anything material exists, atoms would not exist without some sort of Energy right or wrong?

We can tap into the Source Energy, there are many methods, when You do then life opens up to higher up Capabilities and Awarenesses...this is the point of Human life, not working day to day 9-5 to have families and then die...

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

not working day to day 9-5 

That's also energy, but what a hell, it's essential to avoid it if you are seriously interested in developing yourself but it's not an easy task

Edited July 13 by Breakingthewall

[Carl-Richard]

50 minutes ago, aurum said:

I notice nothing from watching Jan Esmann.

Do you generally notice anything from watching teachers?

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's also energy, but what a hell, it's essential to avoid it if you are seriously interested in developing yourself but it's not an easy task

Yes True, it is a hellscape, I'm living it now, but can go beyond it:)

[Carl-Richard]

34 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Does this simply mean placing your attention on it?

Yes, sorry for being poetic lol.

 

35 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Do you touch your skin to create a physical tingling sensation?

Yes, lightly.

 

35 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

How do you know it’s energy and not just physical sensation?

No difference. Sensation is energy. It's just when the sensation follows a certain dynamic pattern or movement in your body, it's more illustrative to call it energy (because energy is involved with movement).

When working with meditation, realist/materialist assumptions are virtually irrelevant. You don't need to think about whether there exists energy "out there" independent of you. That's only a distraction, something to deconstruct. You want to deal with what is readily apparent, right here, right now.

 

38 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

In the past when I’ve done practice I used to meditate and sometimes my blood flow would get kinda blocked in my butt and it would start hurting a little. And I lowkey found that if I placed my attention on it and held it there, it kinda changed my relationship to the sensation and eased the pain.

I have also done practice from eckhart tolle where you place and hold attention to one body part at a time then the whole body at once. You’ll feel the vibrational energy in each body part and it grows when you put your attention on it then you feel the entire bodies energy it’s quite calming

Also during sleep paralysis I’ve felt all sorts of energies I think there’s something spiritual about it there too

I see. I'm talking about very concrete energy/sensations that you can observe right now, but they're subtle, so it helps to stay still. It's nothing magical: it's literally tiny movements across your body.

[Carl-Richard]

4 hours ago, Davino said:

@Carl-Richard Thanks for sharing the Martin Ball video. It was interesting to watch.

That video in itself is an energetic dose and a half.

 

4 hours ago, Davino said:

I didn't know him, def a genetic freak.

I feel so good just after watching his shaktipat. Good stuff.

He is next to things you only hear about in stories from long dead teachers. But we have him live on camera.

[aurum]

49 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Do you generally notice anything from watching teachers?

I read vibes from teachers.

I would not say I have experiences of "subtle energy".

Shaktipat from Esmann does nothing for me. No effect.

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, aurum said:

I read vibes from teachers.

I would not say I have experiences of "subtle energy".

Shaktipat from Esmann does nothing for me. No effect.

What do the vibes consist of? How do they make you feel?

Also, have you generally tried any energy-based meditations (devotional, kundalini, third eye, etc.)? I think if you learn to provoke and "open up" so to speak your experience to these things, it might be easier to identify "transmission" from teachers.

You how some women just destroy your attention towards anything else? That's kinda what Jan Esmann has. If you think of sexual energy but just spreading it across the body, that's one form of energy that you can notice (and a powerful one), and that's what Jan Esmann creates in people. But also just small twitches and movements in your physical body, like subtle fluctuations in muscle tension in your legs, that's another form for energy.

All these things have a natural "end" to them, and they want to go "up and out" so to speak. When people speak of the benefits of nofap for spirituality, partially it's because you let the energy go up and out instead of down and out, literally. If I go long enough with sexual activity, I will literally feel the energy instead of trying to exit through my lower areas moving up and into my brain and enhancing my mental clarity.

Unwinding energy in meditation is generally about letting all the usual activities that you spend your energy on (down and out) to the side and you let the energy simply work itself out the way it wants when not engaging in any (gross) activities (up and out).

[aurum]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Also, have you generally tried any energy-based meditations (devotional, kundalini, third eye, etc.)? I think if you learn to provoke and "open up" so to speak your experience to these things, it might be easier to identify "transmission" from teachers.

I've done years of all that.

Some of the practices seem to have an energetic effect, depending on how you want to define energy.

I think transmissions are mostly BS though.

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

You how some women just destroy your attention towards anything else? That's kinda what Jan Esmann has. If you think of sexual energy but just spreading it across the body, that's one form of energy that you can notice (and a powerful one), and that's what Jan Esmann creates in people. But also just small twitches and movements in your physical body, like subtle fluctuations in muscle tension in your legs, that's another form for energy.

When people speak of the benefits of nofap for spirituality, partially it's because you let the energy go up and out instead of down and out, literally. If I go long enough with sexual activity, I will literally feel the energy instead of trying to exit through my lower areas moving up and into my brain and enhancing my mental clarity.

I'll believe it has that effect for you.

But that's just not my experience. 

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Unwinding energy in meditation is generally about letting all the usual activities that you spend your energy on (down and out) to the side and you let the energy simply work itself out the way it wants when not engaging in any (gross) activities (up and out).

I've easily done over a thousand hours of meditation and that's also not my experience.

I do not get any sense of unwinding energy. And that has not seemed to hamper my awakening at all.

Edited July 14 by aurum

[Carl-Richard]

32 minutes ago, aurum said:

I think transmissions are mostly BS though.

Transmission is just a fancy word for tuning into and reacting to what you're perceiving (and when the object is another human, it's often called empathy). It's not a magical thing. I feel like I have to constantly say that things are not magical 🤔

As for teachers "actively" transmitting as in creating an intention and a concominant effect, I don't see a problem there. It's like when a girl looks at you like "😏". That's them creating an intention and actively amplifying whatever transmission that was going on passively. And while the teacher might be performing a more subtle move than the girl, even for the girl, some guys are notoriously bad at picking up such subtle cues ("was she hitting on me?") .

 

32 minutes ago, aurum said:

I've easily done over a thousand hours of meditation and that's also not my experience.

I do not get any sense of unwinding energy. And that has not seemed to hamper my awakening at all.

Do you have spontaneous awakenings outside meditation? Do you feel anywhere close to making the awakened state your baseline state?

Edited July 14 by Carl-Richard

[Inliytened1]

11 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

When you've attained the ability to sit in meditation for an extended period of time, which might require a certain degree of deconstruction for you to get there without excessive inner turmoil, it becomes clear that meditation is not just a behavioral process of sitting down and following a certain directive or technique, but in fact also an energetic process.

What is this energy and what is the process? To get a sense of what the energy "is", you can try a technique like third eye meditation. You "stare" with your inner eye on a point between and slightly above your eyebrows, ideally after holding your finger close to the skin such that you create a tingling sensation. Then you "stare" at this tingling sensation and make it grow. And you might notice the sensation will spread across your forehead, and also that other sensations in your body seem to behave in the same way or even add to the sensation. This is one way to identify the type of energy we're talking about, which is a subtle form of energy which constantly travels through your body and which you can become more perceptive to with practice.

To get a clearer sense of the energetic "process" (the dynamic aspect of the energy, how it travels, how it moves), you can try a technique coined by Martin Ball as "fractal energetic yoga" (20:05 for illustration). You sit or stand in a room with quite a bit of free space (or outside, but ideally on a comfortable surface) and make sure your limbs and fingers and generally your entire body are bilaterally symmetrical (your left side mirrors your right side). Then you simply sit or stand still in bilateral symmetry for a while, and then you try to move while keeping bilateral symmetry. Then try to notice how moving in a certain way is more natural or more flowy than others, where you feel a natural groove that you can tap into. If you do this enough, you might notice yourself moving spontaneously outside your will. That is when you're inhabiting the natural energetic process, the innate dynamic flow of energy that your body produces.

When you have identified the energy, what it is, and how it moves, you can start to do this in your sitting meditation. As you sit there, try to notice this subtle energy and its natural flow that is going through your body. As you become more and more relaxed, as you release tensions in your body, see how the energy is executing these actions, see how it makes you move in these subtle subtle ways. Allow it to do this, observe how it's best allowed to flow. See where the energy is headed. Naturally, it's heading for your head. When you feel the energy accumulating in your head (specifically your forehead), and you feel the connection between the flow in the rest of your body and your head, strengthen that connection. Let your head become a transmission tower for your innate energy.

As you transmit and release this energy, you will feel lighter, more fluid, more present. And as you continue, also in tandem with whatever meditation techniques you use, your meditation becomes deeper.


So this is meditation as unwinding of energy, of emptying out and riding the natural waves of your energy. And over time, you might notice tapping into this natural flow while going about your life, in your movements, or even in your thought. This is when you start embodying or channeling the will of God. When this will becomes too strong to resist, you are now Enlightened.

This is very overcomplicated about meditation.  The energy you are feeling coming on is Being.  When you awaken you will have a rush of Being that fills your entire body.  Others have eluded it to being Kundalini.  I just call it Being.  But do not fear this.  Rather Just let it wash over you.   

Edited July 14 by Inliytened1

[Carl-Richard]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

This is very overcomplicated about meditation.  The energy you are feeling coming on is Being.  When you awaken you will have a rush of Being that fills your entire body.  Others have eluded it to being Kundalini.  I just call it Being.  But do not fear this.  Rather Just let it wash over you.   

Making a response to a forum thread as an attempt to diffuse a complicated topic to hopefully rid seekers of confusion, while invoking your own simplified interpretation of the complicated topic, while signalling that your own contribution is simplifying and not further complicating, is what is complicated.

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

Making a response to a forum thread as an attempt to diffuse a complicated topic to hopefully rid seekers of confusion, while invoking your own simplified interpretation of the complicated topic, while signalling that your own contribution is simplifying and not further complicating, is what is complicated.

Understood sorry.  Yet my point still stands.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

You can sense this unwinding energy when someone dies.

Without going into details, I've been with people in the natural death process.

As their mind goes, thoughts begin to slow. Their self is dying before the body.

I always felt this like energy unwinding.

The self dissolves and the dying person comes into being right before the end. You are witnessing a person come into an essential state right before all things cease.

You can feel this in hospice care. If you are sensitive enough. 

ofc I voted for unwinding

Edited July 14 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Carl-Richard]

12 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Understood sorry.  Yet my point still stands.

Aversion to substance in teaching is a bit like going to war and not using your weapons. You already went to war, you already committed to taking the messy route. If you prefer fighting it with your fists, that's a choice you can make, but don't pretend like it's a noble choice. Self-imposed retardation is still retardation.

Edited July 14 by Carl-Richard