it the substance of Reality is Imagination?

[Vercingetorix]

Is everything I think is real just a figment of my imagination? Does the duality of reality - Imagination ultimately collapse?

Sometimes, it seems so...

[theleelajoker]

For me too

[gettoefl]

There is imagination and there is reality. Imagination is how one paints over reality. Spiritual work is unpainting reality. Every thing when unpainted is the same. Things have emotional charges which we label good and bad. For example, sickness we say bad. Wellness we say good. These distinctions are what make for suffering and attachment. Every thing is how it must be and when I see it right, I will see what I am.

[gettoefl]

How to see it right? The best word I found is forgiveness. Don't just forgive bad, also forgive good. Forgive means to pay no heed to the apparent appearance. Both bad and good want to keep you stuck here. Your eyes will always see the appearance. But you can reinterpret it immediately in the mind: This here is God!

[James123]

2 hours ago, Vercingetorix said:

Does the duality of reality - Imagination ultimately collapse?

Yes. Sleeping has no differences than being awake.

2 hours ago, Vercingetorix said:

Is everything I think is real just a figment of my imagination?

What do you "think" yourself as?

[Hojo]

Yes when you take psychedelics its like you imagination falls out of your head and you see your imagination is actually in front of you in the field. So if you take duality and see that both are coming from your imagination that's the answer.

Its like a quantum bit or whatever. There is one in your head and its God.

Edited July 9 by Hojo

[aurum]

7 hours ago, Vercingetorix said:

Is everything I think is real just a figment of my imagination? Does the duality of reality - Imagination ultimately collapse?

Yes and yes.

That's the whole point of spiritual work.

[vibv]

Okay here's another twist for you: Everything here is completely REAL! Matter is real, other people are real, we are real. What's the illusion aka maya is the world! The world - as i use that word here - is merely a bunch of concepts embedded in logic and reason.

God's Imagination turns out to be so powerful that it creates everything for real!

But here's the kicker: What's real - Divine Conscious Dancing Energy - is bound by what's not real - logic and reason. Thus arises the possibility to free it from its prison made up of logical rules and then assist in freeing all other minds that are still bound in darkness.

But that's no easy task! People are afraid of Freedom. So much in fact, that they prefer to suffer alone than to face their true Selves. In our True Self we are never alone. In our fake identity we merely use other people and everyone stays in their own little simulation. The possibility is to wake up and start CREATING together. WE ARE GOD. But God's Mind is scattered across billions of tiny prisons of logic.

You see what I'm getting at!?

This is the battle of THE MACHINE vs THE BEAST. And WE are the BEAST!

Edited July 9 by vibv

[theleelajoker]

1 hour ago, vibv said:

Okay here's another twist for you: Everything here is completely REAL! Matter is real, other people are real, we are real. What's the illusion aka maya is the world! The world - as i use that word here - is merely a bunch of concepts embedded in logic and reason.

God's Imagination turns out to be so powerful that it creates everything for real!

But here's the kicker: What's real - Divine Conscious Dancing Energy - is bound by what's not real - logic and reason. Thus arises the possibility to free it from its prison made up of logical rules and then assist in freeing all other minds that are still bound in darkness.

But that's no easy task! People are afraid of Freedom. So much in fact, that they prefer to suffer alone than to face their true Selves. In our True Self we are never alone. In our fake identity we merely use other people and everyone stays in their own little simulation. The possibility is to wake up and start CREATING together. WE ARE GOD. But God's Mind is scattered across billions of tiny prisons of logic.

You see what I'm getting at!?

This is the battle of THE MACHINE vs THE BEAST. And WE are the BEAST!

@vibvDon't get what you mean with "world" and your explanation for it. What does that distinction mean for you, Maya , world, logic and reason? What you mean "everybody stays in his her one simulation" how does that look practically?

As of today, I think there's no one that needs to be freed. Everybody just playing his/ her role. Just my impression who knows maybe I'm right maybe I'm wrong 

Edited July 9 by theleelajoker

[vibv]

9 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

@vibvDon't get what you mean with "world" and your explanation for it. What does that distinction mean for you, Maya , world, logic and reason? What you mean "everybody stays in his her one simulation" how does that look practically?

As of today, I think there's no one that needs to be freed. Everybody just playing his/ her role. Just my impression who knows maybe I'm right maybe I'm wrong 

Everyone frees themselves in the end, at first it's about seeing that we're living a false life. We're not really trapped, but we feel trapped and act trapped while denying it.

The root of all 'evil' is the notion, that there would be any. That's what was meant with the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the old testament, but we didn't eat from it once, it is an ongoing process. This gives birth to what I call FALSE LOGIC. False logic wrongly assumes that two opposites (1/0, good/evil) couldn't be true at the same time and would contradict each other, while in Truth both are always true at the same time. Therefore false logic is always untrue, because 0 without 1 is incomplete and 1 without 0 too (same with good/evil, wrong/right, etc.).

'The world' as i use that term is the set of notions and beliefs about the world that are (un)grounded in that false logic. It's the perspective where we see good people and bad people, right doing and wrong doing, wins and losses—those are all based on false logic!

That doesn't mean there isn't True Logic. Life itself works in logical ways, but never in those artificial contradictions. Life knows no contradiction. Which means the opposite Life/Death is also based on false logic and therefore un-True.

And one addition: False logic is also not evil! That, too, would be untrue and based on false logic. Music is based on binary logic, too, and it is the most beautiful thing this reality ever produced. That means we can PLAY with false logic, but problems arise when we hold is as truth when in reality it is just imaginary.

Edited July 10 by vibv

[theleelajoker]

@vibv

OK thx for explanation.

So if I get you right, it's about the intellectual process of labeling things, actions, of judging them black /white, 0/1, while not seeing that they are actually two sides of the same coin?

Freeing us means then freeing us from the urge to looks for a one sided coin and instead accept the paradoxical nature of life?

It yes to the questions above, it's something Alan Watts talks about quite a lot in his talks. If not already familiar with him it might be sth for you 

 

 

[vibv]

@theleelajoker He probably talks about that idea. But there's no use for me in listening to him other than to contradict him.

Contradict EVERYONE! Even myself. SEE for yourself. In the very center of Being is where Intelligence resides. Go there, don't get hung up on words and semantics.

If you're putting anything on a pedestal, even your own reasoning, you're already beneath True Intelligence, because it is beyond words. Words are merely pointers to that. Go there.

[theleelajoker]

I see that language is ultimately  1/0, because that's the function of it. Making differences, labeling, making judgements. 

 

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Contradict EVERYONE! Even myself. SEE for yourself. In the very center of Being is where Intelligence resides. Go there, don't get hung up on words and semantics.

So intelligence is NOT in the center of being?  

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Words are merely pointers to that. Go there.

How? How you do it?

Edited July 10 by theleelajoker

[Breakingthewall]

Imagination is real, as a mental process. It has the same level of reality than anything else. But it's different than a stone In terms of the plane on which they operate, just as gravity is different from a molecular bond. Both are real, but they differ in their operational plane. Both are composed of relationships, but those relationships don't operate in the same dimension. You don't need to collapse the duality between imagination and reality because it's confusing, seems that reality is imaginary. You have to see that both have the same ultimate nature and similar structural form in the sense that are relational, relative to other node of reality 

Edited July 10 by Breakingthewall