Should countries open borders for "climate refugees"?

[Shawn Philips]

Due  to climate change, there's some desertification, and soon some areas will be uninhabitable

I'm living in Spain because my wife is from the south and has a house where we live in. I've been in Dubai and I cant handle this kind of heat, and probably Spain will be as hot as Dubai in the future. I'm beginning to worry about my health, the summer heatwaves are stronger every year, and I'm beginning to think about moving to a cooler country like Norway, Sweden, Canada.

The issue here is most countries residency permission have strict conditions like being a retired, being a rentist with high income, or having a business or job in the country.

Edited July 6 by Shawn Philips

[aurum]

No country is going to be able to take on unlimited climate refugees.

There will be limited spots people will have to fight for.

[Boethius]

Eventually countries may have to open their borders to climate change refugees, if climate change gets bad enough. After all, people from areas that are practically uninhabitable will want and need to move as a matter of survival for themselves and their offspring. But if the last 10 years have been any indication, the countries that receive these migrants will experience political stresses that may end up being rather destabilizing or disastrous. As we see in the US, Trump has risen to power largely on the issue of immigration, and his presidency has rocked American political discourse and the political establishment to the core. All of this is to say, that the Pentagon has for some time listed climate change as a top national security threat for a good reason.

[PurpleTree]

What about northern Spain and mountainous Spain?

[Apparition of Jack]

And people call me crazy for wanting to strengthen the UN  

[Lyubov]

Probably not. I mean, I doubt there is the infrastructure and resources for this. The only way this could be done if everyone was green and working on the same page and shared the same values. But in capitalism it won't work. It's already turned to feudalism. 

[Hojo]

You'd have to make some sort of compound or designated area for them to live.

[BlueOak]

For the top 50 countries on this list, yes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita

For the botton 50 absolutely not, the others we could argue about. I mean there are other factors certainly, levels of garbage generated per person for example, which I couldn't find statistics on at a glance, but obviously will be higher in developed countries.

Perhaps in a fair and balanced global system, I would also consider how much other countries are using the natural resources many of these countries sell, but it would only be a factor in that consideration; the main point still stands. High Emissions and High levels of garbage should allow for immigrants from those countries that have been adversely affected, because the top 50 here are benefiting from the damage they cause.

Edited July 7 by BlueOak

[Basman]

The problem with Green style policies broadly speaking is that they are ineffective and ultimately destructive of society. If people feel like they are being excluded politically and economically and if their welfare system and infrastructure is being strained by migrants, then you'll risk society sliding into authoritarianism.

A high migration rate is not politically viable if it's not the will of the people and if the resources aren't there for that. A lot of Stage Green people are advocating for minority rule. 

Denmark, with one of the strictest immigration policies in Europe, is simultaneously investing into these third world countries. Prevention is cheaper than a cure. Effective climate policies are necessary and will likely intensify as consequences begin to accrue. 

[Boethius]

7 minutes ago, Basman said:

Denmark, with one of the strictest immigration policies in Europe, is simultaneously investing into these third world countries. Prevention is cheaper than a cure. Effective climate policies are necessary and will likely intensify as consequences begin to accrue.

And most people don't want to flee their homeland en masse anyways (a little bit of immigration is natural and healthy for the world).

The peak of insanity, however, is the US pumping out all these greenhouse gasses, ensuring that people from the global south will need to immigrate in the future, all while wanting to lock down its borders.

[PurpleTree]

3 hours ago, Boethius said:

 

The peak of insanity, however, is the US pumping out all these greenhouse gasses, ensuring that people from the global south will need to immigrate in the future, all while wanting to lock down its borders.

I mean same with China and other places. They don’t really take refugees.