No Love. Just Brute Survival

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, SQAAD said:

@Breakingthewall

That is the problem. Nobody gives a damn.

It's not like that, If you're in sync with yourself and open to your true reality, you'll discover the people you can connect with deeply. Obviously, it won't be everyone, but they exist. Thinking that everyone you see on the street should be on the same wavelength as you isn't very realistic. Means that you are not one with yourself, then you blame the others. It's a reality that most people acts reactive, if you want to find people who is fluid, true, then first be true and fluid. 

Edited July 7 by Breakingthewall

[Basman]

Humans don't have the capacity for full unconditional love by nature . Unconditional love is a radical notion that goes beyond flesh and blood. It's essentially death.

[theleelajoker]

1 hour ago, Basman said:

Humans don't have the capacity for full unconditional love by nature . Unconditional love is a radical notion that goes beyond flesh and blood. It's essentially death.

How you know this?

You met every human that ever existed, exists and will exist?

Are you telling a story to justify your own POV?

See the comments from @Breakingthewallabove. Be what you want to see in the world as best as possible. See what happens. 

Edited July 7 by theleelajoker

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

How you know this?

You met every human that ever existed, exists and will exist?

Are you telling a story to justify your own POV?

See the comments from @Breakingthewallabove. Be what you want to see in the world as best as possible. See what happens. 

The issue is very simple and same time extremely difficult. Human evolutionary reality creates mechanisms of hierarchy and emotional castration to achieve the most optimal adaptation and evolution as a society. This is genetically encoded, and as soon as a trigger is triggered, you irremediably fall into power dynamics. The price is closure, dissatisfaction as an individual, emotional castration. Getting out of there is quite difficult; it requires deep understanding and direct action. You're not fighting something banal, a mistake made by foolish humans, but rather you're trying to align a biological reality with your inner reality. Shortcuts don't work; it's a real struggle, you have to conquer your freedom without denying the human reality, not an easy balance

[Basman]

17 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

How you know this?

You met every human that ever existed, exists and will exist?

Are you telling a story to justify your own POV?

See the comments from @Breakingthewallabove. Be what you want to see in the world as best as possible. See what happens. 

You can be more loving as a person but it won't be the same because you still value your survival. Unconditional love is letting clouds shift and change instead of trying to maintain a particular shape. Unconditional love would mean loving everything that is bad for survival. Everything painful, torturous and murderous.

You necessarily have to set conditions in order to maintain your form. 

Imagine being thrown into the brazen bull and loving every moment of it. If you can't love boiling in your own fat than you fall short of unconditional love. 

[theleelajoker]

24 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The issue is very simple and same time extremely difficult. Human evolutionary reality creates mechanisms of hierarchy and emotional castration to achieve the most optimal adaptation and evolution as a society. This is genetically encoded, and as soon as a trigger is triggered, you irremediably fall into power dynamics. The price is closure, dissatisfaction as an individual, emotional castration. Getting out of there is quite difficult; it requires deep understanding and direct action. You're not fighting something banal, a mistake made by foolish humans, but rather you're trying to align a biological reality with your inner reality. Shortcuts don't work; it's a real struggle, you have to conquer your freedom without denying the human reality, not an easy balance

Yeah what you do here IMO is describing "the rules" of how things work.

When you say "optimal adaption" then I would add that this WAS optimal, and now it's time to further adapt. Hence the price we are paying, forcing us to change. Maybe you meant it like that, don't know.

Action, action action. Every single action connects with another one, reality HAS to synchronize I my experience. All you need to do is act, and then carefully observe. Once I became aware of this, everything changes. 

So, we know the rules of the game, now it's time to play

 

Edited July 7 by theleelajoker

[theleelajoker]

6 minutes ago, Basman said:

You can be more loving as a person but it won't be the same because you still value your survival. Unconditional love is letting clouds shift and change instead of trying to maintain a particular shape. Unconditional love would mean loving everything that is bad for survival. Everything painful, torturous and murderous.

You necessarily have to set conditions in order to maintain your form. 

Imagine being thrown into the brazen bull and loving every moment of it. If you can't love boiling in your own fat than you fall short of unconditional love. 

Point taken, I would NOT love the physical experience of pain in your example. I would scream and beg to get out this.

But then I can unconditionally love the part of me that hates this painful experience?

 

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Yeah what you do here IMO is describing "the rules" of how things work.

When you say "optimal adaption" then I would add that this WAS optimal, and now it's time to further adapt. Hence the price we are paying, forcing us to change. Maybe you meant it like that, don't know.

Action, action action. Every single action connects with another one, reality HAS to synchronize I my experience. All you need to do is act, and then carefully observe. Once I became aware of this, everything changes. 

So, we know the rules of the game, now it's time to play

 

Adaptive mechanisms are constantly evolving, and this evolution is our personal movement multiplied by x. Changes at a global level are gradual and require a framework that allows for them.

Mechanisms of emotional castration and submission to hierarchies are still absolutely necessary. Humanity as a whole is a machine of enormous complexity, and to continue functioning with the precision with which it operates, everything must be balanced. If your impulse is to break down barriers, that is humanity's impulse at a local level, the beginning of a movement that, if circumstances are favorable, will take on a general dimension.

[James123]

9 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Point taken, I would NOT love the physical experience of pain in your example. I would scream and beg to get out this.

But then I can unconditionally love the part of me that hates this painful experience?

 

If there is an only pain, but not you, will you be able to suffer?

[Salvijus]

You have the power to forgive the world and that's love. 

[theleelajoker]

52 minutes ago, James123 said:

If there is an only pain, but not you, will you be able to suffer?

Don't get the question, you're hinting at no self?

[James123]

14 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Don't get the question, you're hinting at no self?

No, I am not. I am just saying, if directly experiencing the pain without any distraction, can you suffer from it?

[theleelajoker]

59 minutes ago, James123 said:

No, I am not. I am just saying, if directly experiencing the pain without any distraction, can you suffer from it?

Ahhh you mean deeply going into it, facing it, feeling it instead of avoiding pain? 

So in a sense avoidance of pain = suffering but feeling pain and it just becomes a feeling?

If you mean this: For psychological pain, suffering disapears for me when directly experiencing it. For physical pain I could shift limits during retreats, but being burned alive as in the example I don't know if it's possible to go that far. 

 

[integration journey]

May our cups be full and radiate unconditional acceptance having gone through so much shit. 

[Schizophonia]

So what

[James123]

48 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Ahhh you mean deeply going into it, facing it, feeling it instead of avoiding pain? 

Yes.

48 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

So in a sense avoidance of pain = suffering but feeling pain and it just becomes a feeling?

Yes.

49 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

If you mean this: For psychological pain, suffering disapears for me when directly experiencing it. For physical pain I could shift limits during retreats, but being burned alive as in the example I don't know if it's possible to go that far. 

When you deeply feel any feeling, and let go, realization happens that you are suffering due to attachment to "you". Maybe after that, realization happens that they are just a feeling. And after that maybe realization happens that any feeling is an illusion. 

[theleelajoker]

18 hours ago, James123 said:

Yes.

Yes.

When you deeply feel any feeling, and let go, realization happens that you are suffering due to attachment to "you". Maybe after that, realization happens that they are just a feeling. And after that maybe realization happens that any feeling is an illusion. 

Ok, I think I approached that point twice. There was this "ohhhh if I feel this more, if I let go more, I dissolve"

Got scared and stopped feeling. Was afraid I won't come back to this reality. 

What happens after the realization you describe? 

[James123]

34 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

What happens after the realization you describe? 

you=reality=attachments dies.

You realize that You are the moment, never born or will die, or nothing has never happened. Just attached with the so called thoughts.

 

[theleelajoker]

21 minutes ago, James123 said:

you=reality=attachments dies.

You realize that You are the moment, never born or will die, or nothing has never happened. Just attached with the so called thoughts.

 

Reality ceases to exist?

[James123]

4 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Reality ceases to exist?

There is no reality, just attachment with thoughts.

Therefore, yes.