WWIII Might Have Started

[Schizophonia]

People who make these kinds of videos actually like the idea of war, that's why their brains are so fussy about it; they're drama queens.

[Wilhelm44]

17 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Who is this guy Destiny? He has a girls name and he’s very annoying. This is hardly a « perspective »

He a more centrist left political commentator. Surprised you haven't heard of him. 

850K subscribers, he been around for a while.

Don't agree with his stance on Israel/Gaza for obvious reasons.

But he is definitely switched on in many ways, especially good at debating.

(Don't be fooled by appearances)

 

Edited July 4 by Wilhelm44

[Sincerity]

28 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

People who make these kinds of videos actually like the idea of war, that's why their brains are so fussy about it; they're drama queens.

If that's your assessment of the guy, nice judgement. 👍 Though I'm 90% certain you haven't watched the video.

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Destiny, on the other hand, is a certified drama queen. Still talking about Hasan, just a day ago. Bruh.

I skimmed through the video but obviously didn't watch the entire 3 hours. I watched him in the past and coming back to him today when listening to this video made me think: wow, this is some serious fucking echo chamber. Looking at his rhetoric, the chat, the comments. Disgusted me.

Though if the Predictive History guy is denying the holocaust (I'm not certain he is, but if he is) then that's not good. And he might be wrong in some other things too, I don't agree with all his takes. In the end, he's just a perspective.

Edited July 4 by Sincerity

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

If that's your assessment of the guy, nice judgement. 👍 Though I'm 90% certain you haven't watched the video.

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Destiny, on the other hand, is a certified drama queen. Still talking about Hasan, just a day ago. Bruh.

I skimmed through the video but obviously didn't watch the entire 3 hours. I was watching him in the past and coming back to him today made me think: wow, this is some serious fucking echo chamber. Disgusted me.

Though if the Predictive History guy is denying the holocaust (I'm not certain he is, but if he is) then that's not good. And he might be wrong in some other things too, I don't agree with all his takes. In the end, he's just a perspective.

Yeah, it's just a perspective. Destiny is wrong on Gaza for sure. I need to listen to this geopolitical guy some more, but he seems to think he can predict whats going to happen politically as if it's a chemistry experiment.

[zazen]

On 02/07/2025 at 0:45 PM, zazen said:

I agree. Before I was looking at the driving force of the state from the lens of capital - after this professors videos I would conclude that there is also a empire logic at play in driving the state - though they usually work in conjunction. This professor over-weights the logic of empire wanting to maintain primacy, against the logic of capital wanting to maintain stable profits.

A framework I've come to is that there are 4 pillars / domains that make up power:

- People ( Nation state, the masses seeking the good life) Offer empire and capital legitimacy.

- Primacy ( Empire state, the muscle seeking primacy on the world stage ) National security / deep state military elites ie NSA, CIA, FBI

- Profit ( Capital-cloud estate, money seeking profits ) Wall Street / tech elites ie Blackrock, Big Tech

- Prophecy ( Religious or secular, ideology seeking meaning ) Moral cover / justification weaponised by empire and capital.

Empire's primacy and capital's profits are served at the expense of the nation states people - hence as you said ''people started noticing that their politicians aren’t listening to anything they say anymore'' and so we have the rise of populism across the West. The ideological buy in for empire behaving imperially (American exceptionalism) and capital behaving extractively (Capitalism) no longer hold meaning for most people.

Foreign policy is written in board rooms (capital) and war rooms (empire), and later justified in newsrooms (ideology). Social media is shredding the narrative control of empire and capital - who are then losing legitimacy among their own masses, let alone those it has already dominated abroad.

The way capital and empire work together is that capital profits from access (to markets, regions, resources) whilst empire (muscle-military dominance) ensures favourable access (SWIFT, petro-dollar primacy). Capital runs on empires guardrails. Capital plays on the gameboard that empire has built for it - to be in a position of primacy from which it can be extractive. Empire fires shots so that capital can call the shots. This has been the status quo for the past decades during pax-Americana.

That status quo is now changing with the rise of peer rivals and a new game board being constructed by the likes of China, Russia, Iran (BRICS etc). So primacy and uni-polar hegemony is threatened, and with it, the position of primacy from which capital could dictate terms to favor itself and extract from others as predator rather than partner. Capital wealth is denominated in dollars and dependent on market access - both of which are threatened by those who want to de-dollarize by trading in local currencies and make access conditional.

Up to now, Empire muscle has been enforcing and tilting the game board in its favor in much of the world, by enforcing or coercing access for its capital elites (corporations, hedge/vulture funds). But now they are up against the last man standing in the Middle East who has historically denied them access (nationalization of oil followed by a CIA backed coup) and continues to do so: Iran. Luckily, Iran is a proud civilisational state that is a geographic fortress, overlooks strategic choke points and has enough muscle to deter aggression - unlike its neighbors who have been de-stabilized and subjugated to the empire. It’s also co-architecting the new game board being built by China and Russia which de-dollarizes trade and calls for sovereignty over subjugation.

So the tension arises between empire and capital - empire says ''we can't lose out to the new game in town'' whilst capital says ''but this could risk annihilation or exclusion from the game entirely - disrupting everything we've built''. Empire wants to strong arm the last defiant example in the Middle East to concede to its terms and not engage in building a new game (with BRICS) that disrupts the game they dominate in. Capital wants to deal make partial access even if it means concessions their arrogance isn't used to - rather than risk total exclusion or annihilation ie game over. They see a negotiated partial access under multi-polarity as a game still worth playing, over a total extractive access that risks ending the game entirely.

The reality is that empire has met its match in muscle whilst losing its narrative control over the masses it needs to sell their actions to. Any wrong moves at this stage expedite its decline from within (people uprising against empire - populism) and from without (nations banding together against imperial belligerence) as we've already see happening with Trumps tariff game which is just another mechanism of attempting to maintain primacy by offsetting the costs of empire.

What is most likely to happen is a slow decline in relative power against new powers rising in a multi-polar world, and the US empire and capital elites learning to come to terms with not being the ones to always set the terms in the new world.

 

Wrote this on the other thread (US at war with Iran). I think most likely we are going into a cold peace where the current hegemon (US) will have to reluctantly accepts its position in the new world.

The real war is the US being at war for its own primacy in the world - it will still be a superpower, but not THE superpower ie reign supreme over the world. Both the empire and capital elites should conclude that it’s better to be relatively powerful than the only power in town - which risks WW3 to maintain by force.

The only wild cards are the fanatical ideologues (neocons) of empire that don’t care for cost benefit analysis and will even risk capital interests OR a empire no longer constrained by capital logic if a systemic collapse erodes the capital elites.

It seems more likely there will be domestic civil unrest (not total civil war) than WW3 - which will be a sort of indirect Cold War through trade, tech and propaganda.

If or when the US cracks financially is when things will most likely spark (but not explode) - during that time people will be ripe for heroes and saviours to rally around that provide some sort of unified myth and meaning. That would be the moment for ideologues to hijack the state apparatus which has more recently been driven by empire and capital logic, not so much prophetic (fanatic) logic.

Depending on who steers the ship, they may want to re-assert imperial empire abroad through force (WW3) but domestically there will be friction against this - as there won’t be consensus over the new prophet / hero / ideological narrative. US will be a place of competing ideologies like today, but heightened, hence the civil unrest. It’s a militarised, armed and polarized society that lacks trust in institutions or a shared narrative (Christian nationalism vs secular liberalism).

 

Edited July 4 by zazen

[Schizophonia]

6 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

If that's your assessment of the guy, nice judgement. 👍 Though I'm 90% certain you haven't watched the video.

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What I said is true (non-duality, mirror effect and all that) but I actually admit that I didn't see the video and posted it compulsively, because I was aggressive; mea culpa.

I accuse people of being drama queen to be drama queen.

 

6 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

Destiny, on the other hand, is a certified drama queen. Still talking about Hasan, just a day ago. Bruh.

I skimmed through the video but obviously didn't watch the entire 3 hours. I was watching him in the past and coming back to him today made me think: wow, this is some serious fucking echo chamber. Disgusted me.

Don’t know him; just saw a debate with vegan gains about veganism.

[Joshe]

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

mirror effect

When your only tool is a hammer, everything is a nail. 

[Wilhelm44]

He (Predictive history guy)  literally says: "We don't have any concrete evidence for the Holocaust"  I'm still going through the rest of the Destiny video to find the context, but I'm not really sure what context could possibly make that sentence valid. 

I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is some kind of propaganda AI generation.

[Jodistrict]

6 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

He (Predictive history guy)  literally says: "We don't have any concrete evidence for the Holocaust"  I'm still going through the rest of the Destiny video to find the context, but I'm not really sure what context could possibly make that sentence valid. 

I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is some kind of propaganda AI generation.

He's a quack.  But knows how to use youtube and get likes.

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

He's a quack.  But knows how to use youtube and get likes.

Ok we will decide by civil war if he’s a quack or not. But if there’s a civil war i expect an apology in this thread.

[Sincerity]

12 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

He (Predictive history guy)  literally says: "We don't have any concrete evidence for the Holocaust"  I'm still going through the rest of the Destiny video to find the context, but I'm not really sure what context could possibly make that sentence valid. 

Let us know when you find it. I'm curious in what context and why he would say such a thing.

[Sincerity]

@Wilhelm44 So, as it turns out Destiny is a sleazy scumbag and he put this quote entirely out of context. The professor seems to be saying there is no direct evidence of an INTENT for the holocaust before that speech Hitler made in 1939. He is NOT saying that the holocaust didn't happen. The misunderstanding seems to be due to the guy's slightly broken English.

Here's the timestamp from Destiny's stream (1:34:31)

And from the original video (1:01:25) (rewind for context)

Utterly disgraceful on Destiny's part to put this as the thumbnail and the video start. What a low move. I have even less respect for him now.

Edited July 4 by Sincerity

[Joshe]

To be fair, Destiny doesn’t make the thumbnails or even upload to YouTube. His 50/50 partner does all that. Still doesn’t excuse anything as this seems like a mistake that should at the very least be corrected. I don’t think Destiny would intentionally and falsely smear this dude. He probably just made a bad read, like you said, due to slightly broken English. Destiny is sharp but I’ve seen him make mistakes like this before. His audience usually corrects him and he argues over it for 10 minutes before accepting his mistake. 

[Wilhelm44]

14 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

@Wilhelm44 So, as it turns out Destiny is a sleazy scumbag and he put this quote entirely out of context. The professor seems to be saying there is no direct evidence of an INTENT for the holocaust before that speech Hitler made in 1939. He is NOT saying that the holocaust didn't happen. The misunderstanding seems to be due to the guy's slightly broken English.

Here's the timestamp from Destiny's stream (1:34:31)

And from the original video (1:01:25) (rewind for context)

Utterly disgraceful on Destiny's part. What a low move. I have even less respect for him now.

I hear you, that was bad from Destiny.

So now I'm curious:

Are you able to summarize in a few sentences why you said we might be cooked ? ie WW3

From what I can tell Russia is drained by Ukraine.

And China only interested in Taiwan as far as military activities go.

Seems like a big leap to WW3 predictions.

I know, I still need to watch your original video.

But curious as to your reasoning ito of us being cooked ?

 

 

 

 

 

[Wilhelm44]

@Sincerity  I'm halfway through the main video you shared.

It's really hard to watch. I agree with Destiny, there is just so much random assumptions 

and speculations in this guy's work. 

He even suggests that Israel wants America to go to war with Iran and lose, so that Israel can be the big power in the Middle East.

Sounds like he's just pulling bs theories out of his ass. And he uses game theory etc to convince people he knows what

he's talking about.

How come this guy has not been invited onto any other political podcasts, or has he ?

[Wilhelm44]

So this guy is saying, America will send ground troops to Iran. And the resulting protests in America will lead to civil war and the fall of the American empire. I really dont see how this is deep analysis. 

[zazen]

@Wilhelm44

Many commentators will have some version of how they think the US will fall. Some will split hairs over whether it’s a fall, or a decline.

What is more clearer by the day is the US is in relative decline, and the current tension and intuition amongst many doomer types of WW3 isn’t unfounded either as rising powers challenge its hegemony.

We are in the classic Thucydides trap. 75% of cases ended in war. The the current tension being felt but maybe not articulated well.

[Wilhelm44]

6 minutes ago, zazen said:

@Wilhelm44

Many commentators will have some version of how they think the US will fall. Some will split hairs over whether it’s a fall, or a decline.

What is more clearer by the day is the US is in relative decline, and the current tension and intuition amongst many doomer types of WW3 isn’t unfounded either as rising powers challenge its hegemony.

We are in the classic Thucydides trap. 75% of cases ended in war. The the current tension being felt but maybe not articulated well.

I hear you, so in this case China would be the rising power. Its hard to see China getting involved in all out military war though. Economic war of course is a different story.

[Sincerity]

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe/2025-07-17/nato-must-be-prepared-for-wars-18470191.html

NATO commander speaks out.

Not fearmongering, but thinking that a global conflict is out of the question is preposterous…

[Spiral]

No, don't worry about it guys