Titanium dioxide ban in EU. Which toothpastes to buy?

[Carl-Richard]

I bought some of Dr. Collins Biomin Restore without fluoride as recommended by Bryan Johnson. I was hesistant in buying it, considering hydroxyapatite nanoparticles sounds spooky. But I figured it's probably better than fluoride (for your brain, maybe not for your teeth). Then I realized one ingredient, titanium dioxide, is now banned in the EU since 2022 from foods and supplements, including toothpastes. It ironically also comes in the form of nanoparticles, and that's what is thought to be some of the reason why it is cytotoxic in vitro and labelled as a carcinogen. Funnily, my brother read the tube once and he blurted out "titanium dioxide?!" with a chuckle, probably because he works with titanium, but the implication was also "that surely can't be good for you...". And that was my feeling too. So I looked it up, and here we are.

So does anybody have any alternative fluoride-free hydroxyapatite toothpastes they use without titanium dioxide? 😊 Or do you guys in the US not care about EU regulations? 😆

Edited Saturday at 05:25 AM by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

I only use activated charcoal toothpaste.

This is was the best brand but they stopped making it:

https://www.amazon.com/Charcoal-Whitening-Toothpaste-Acti-vated-Char-coal/dp/B071VK9Y28

Edited Saturday at 07:21 AM by Leo Gura

[RendHeaven]

titanium dioxide is horrible. definitely one of the (many) ingredients I actively avoid.

I'm at the point where i don't even use toothpaste lol.

0 fructose diet + no spices or sauces + no coffee or staining drinks + mechanical brushing and flossing + home made diluted peppermint spray keeps my mouth elite as fuck

Edited Saturday at 08:34 AM by RendHeaven

[Leo Gura]

@RendHeaven Dude, charcoal toothpaste is bomb. Don't be Quaker.

Edited Saturday at 08:58 AM by Leo Gura

[PsychedelicEagle]

11 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

I'm at the point where i don't even use toothpaste lol.

Same here. I just use it once a day; other times I brush it raw. Also good to floss frequently; I do it 2-3x/day. If I got on a date then I may brush before with toothpaste to increase my chances of mating.

I eat a lot of fructose (from fruits). Never had tooth cavities in my life so probably good microbiome to start with.

@Carl-Richard I use the one from Ben&Anna

[Carl-Richard]

I just thought that to choose between fluoride toothpaste and hydroxyapatite toothpaste is like choosing between a lambo for your teeth and lambo for your brain. You can drive a good ol' Hyundai or Volvo and get good mileage with that, you just don't get a supercar.

So do you want lambo teeth and volvo brain or lambo brain and volvo teeth?

And if you think having lambo teeth is mandatory, what about fuking Jumbo jet teeth with strontium chloride toothpaste, hmm?? That's a real thing.

Edited yesterday at 04:42 AM by Carl-Richard

[RendHeaven]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

I just thought that to choose between fluoride toothpaste and hydroxyapatite toothpaste is like choosing between a lambo for your teeth and lambo for your brain. You can drive a good ol' Hyundai or Volvo and get good mileage with that, you just don't get a supercar.

So do you want lambo teeth and volvo brain or lambo brain and volvo teeth?

And if you think having lambo teeth is mandatory, what about fuking Jumbo jet teeth with strontium chloride toothpaste, hmm?? That's a real thing.

No, your paradigm assumes that optimal teeth requires addition of inputs, when in truth its a subtraction of inputs.

Oral hygiene is 95%+ food discernment and the mechanical movement of brushing and flossing (with just water is fine)

the paste only exists to overcompensate for the fact that most people guzzle teeth-destroying foods, which creates problems that require fixing. But that is synonymous to putting duct tape over a crack in the dam. You're creating your own problem, and then going out of your way to fix it, when you can just stop creating the problem and there's nothing for you to fix.

There's nothing "lambo" about having the best duct tape covering up existing damages. The winning formula is to simply not have damaged teeth in the first place, by avoiding inputs that erode and stain.

This same dynamic occurs in pharma solutions as well as other minor hygiene products like shampoo and deodorant

[Carl-Richard]

7 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

No, your paradigm assumes that optimal teeth requires addition of inputs, when in truth its a subtraction of inputs.

But then you of course have to subtract something. I don't think subtraction of fructose would be a good idea. What fruits can you eat?

[RendHeaven]

13 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

I don't think subtraction of fructose would be a good idea.

To be clear, "fructose" is a category of sugar and is obviously found in fruit, but is more importantly found in all the processed foods (corn syrup) and added sugars that everyone is eating.

At a high level, my stance is not that fruit is bad for teeth, but that processed sugar is bad for your teeth. At the end of the day, all sugar is a threat, but fruit has protective compounds that "counterbalance" the sugar content, whereas something like cereal with corn syrup will just fuck you over time.

If anything, I do recommend a moderate daily intake of (organic!!) fruit for most people (amazing vitamins and antioxidants, which are overwhelmingly positive inputs).

I am weird in the sense that I'm basically on 0grams of dietary sugar (personal preference. not a universal recommendation). Sometimes I drink organic pomegranate juice in glass for the antioxidants, but it's not a daily thing. This does stain teeth so I sip through a metal straw to avoid as much teeth contact as possible, and promptly brush and floss my teeth (with water) afterwards.

tl;dr: fruit is generally fine. fructose is more concerning in processed normie foods (which everybody is eating, which is why everybody needs toothpaste). within fruit, there are further distinctions about staining foods vs non staining foods. you can use your gut to discern. like obviously blueberries will stain your teeth more than a banana. You should be brushing (with or without paste) after every time you eat fruit, but if you're guzzling blueberries every single meal then just water might not be enough to keep your teeth completely white

[Carl-Richard]

42 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

To be clear, "fructose" is a category of sugar and is obviously found in fruit, but is more importantly found in all the processed foods (corn syrup) and added sugars that everyone is eating.

At a high level, my stance is not that fruit is bad for teeth, but that processed sugar is bad for your teeth. At the end of the day, all sugar is a threat, but fruit has protective compounds that "counterbalance" the sugar content, whereas something like cereal with corn syrup will just fuck you over time.

If anything, I do recommend a moderate daily intake of (organic!!) fruit for most people (amazing vitamins and antioxidants, which are overwhelmingly positive inputs).

I am weird in the sense that I'm basically on 0grams of dietary sugar (personal preference. not a universal recommendation). Sometimes I drink organic pomegranate juice in glass for the antioxidants, but it's not a daily thing. This does stain teeth so I sip through a metal straw to avoid as much teeth contact as possible, and promptly brush and floss my teeth (with water) afterwards.

tl;dr: fruit is generally fine. fructose is more concerning in processed normie foods (which everybody is eating, which is why everybody needs toothpaste). within fruit, there are further distinctions about staining foods vs non staining foods. you can use your gut to discern. like obviously blueberries will stain your teeth more than a banana. You should be brushing (with or without paste) after every time you eat fruit, but if you're guzzling blueberries every single meal then just water might not be enough to keep your teeth completely white

I could possibly raw dog it then if I do some small tweaks. I already don't eat much processed sugar. Largely whole foods. But I'm a sucker for sauces and spices.

My dentist said that bacteria don't seem to like it in my mouth (a compliment) back when I was brushing with only like a microscopic amount of normal fluroide toothpaste (it would usually not even create foam, just integrate with my spit), and often I would only brush at night.

[RendHeaven]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

But I'm a sucker for sauces and spices.

Yeah I understand, this alone justifies the use of a natural nontoxic flouride-free toothpaste.

Spices and sauces will leave lingering smells (in your gut, which creeps up through your mouth even if your teeth are clean).

The real power of toothpaste is not merely that it cleans or protects your teeth from the erosion of damaging foods but that it bombs your oral cavity with "freshness" which overpowers all negative smells.

There's a reason normies brush their teeth after waking up or before a date, but forget to brush after a meal. It's because they're not even brushing for hygiene, they're brushing to mask odor. Not that this is wise, but that it does actually make sense to use toothpaste if you're consuming foods that make you stink.

For example, if you cook with garlic or onion spice - toothpaste is mandatory

[aurum]

22 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

No, your paradigm assumes that optimal teeth requires addition of inputs, when in truth its a subtraction of inputs.

Why are you against addition of inputs?

These inputs can be helpful beyond just "compensation". Especially if you don't have top-tier genetics.

You seem to keep thinking you can solve all health problems by living like ancient people. 

[RendHeaven]

30 minutes ago, aurum said:

Why are you against addition of inputs?

These inputs can be helpful beyond just "compensation". Especially if you don't have top-tier genetics.

You seem to keep thinking you can solve all health problems by living like ancient people. 

I am not against inputs. I love inputs. For example I take vitamin D 5000IU every day. my ancestors didn't have that.

I'm against inputs that deplete you and then stacking more inputs to patch up the holes the first negative input left.

I want to stack +1 +1 +1 from a baseline of 0, rather than fluxing between -1 +1 -2 +1 -1 +2 -1 -2 +3 -2 +1 +1 -2 -3 +1 +2 which keeps me hovering around 0 treading water forever

Given my diet, having experimented with all sorts of toothpastes, it's become abundantly clear that toothpaste adds precisely +0 to me. Or maybe charitably it adds +0.1 for the minty breath effect, but this can be achieved much cheaper with a homemade peppermint spray

Consider that I'm not merely lucky or genetically gifted. If you ate exactly as I did, toothpaste would actually become redundant and a waste of money.

But you won't eat like me, because you have different idiosyncratic values and needs. So you have to think for yourself whether toothpaste is meaningful or not

[Ropuch7]

On 6/21/2025 at 10:33 AM, RendHeaven said:

+ home made diluted peppermint spray keeps my mouth elite as fuck

Can you share your recipe?

[RendHeaven]

49 minutes ago, Ropuch7 said:

Can you share your recipe?

literally just take peppermint essential oil mixed with distilled water. trial and error to find a ratio that suits you

its the same as isolating the "cooling" ingredient from a conventional toothpaste or mint candy

if you're already using a toothpaste that makes you feel fresh, then this is mostly redundant - although it is nice to have a tiny spray bottle of this stuff if you're going out

[Ropuch7]

13 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

it is nice to have a tiny spray bottle of this stuff if you're going out

Exactly. I'll do that, thanks.

I already have the oil. I use it for making my own toothpaste (coconut oil, soda, erithritol, oils - clove and mint). I found it made a big difference in how long my mouth stays fresh.

[RendHeaven]

3 minutes ago, Ropuch7 said:

(coconut oil, soda, erithritol, oils - clove and mint)

this is very very solid.

probably the best answer to OP's question.

I lowkey derailed the thread by being a contrarian and acting like i'm above toothpaste lol.

In terms of answering what's actually the best toothpaste - the answer would be to make your own

coconut oil, baking soda, and mint essential oil is all you need IMO. I'm assuming you're using erithritol as a harmless sweetener? looks pretty optional to me, but I understand that you might want your brushing experience to be more pleasant.

One downside of home made coconut oil toothpaste is that if you experience cold winters, this can clog your sink as you spit, so you have to remember to run hot water