The depth of the problem of self deception.

[Majed]

If only enlightened individuals are the most free from self deception, does it mean that everyone else is full of self deception ? And is there a way to rank people on a scale from the most to the less self deceived ?

[ChrisZoZo]

@Leo Gura yo this guy actually thinks enlighten people are immune to self deception 🤣🤣🤣. Na I joke @Majed

If you mean an enlightened person by someone who consistently always has any attention on the self. They’re still not necessarily fully aware that they are God and so they fall for self deception I would say. 

A good skill of ranking is what do people want to do with their life. The more self deceived are people that to do things that don’t make them happy don’t make them excited. Doesn’t help anybody and destroy the environment. The crazy thing is, this is shockingly common in our society. People always do what they think is best, always. 

This is the thing people don’t value truth and so they do what they think is best, but it’s actually not best. 

[Hojo]

Yes the self deception is that you care about anything. Earth is a spooky haunted house ride and you are caring about ghosts. You gotta not care but feel like you do.

Edited yesterday at 12:42 AM by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, ChrisZoZo said:

yo this guy actually thinks enlighten people are immune to self deception

He didn't say immune. Just relatively better off.

[UnbornTao]

Start moving in the direction of what's true - at any level. Begin by paying attention to your experience and being straightforward about it. 

[ChrisZoZo]

@Leo Gura lol true 

[Inliytened1]

On 6/20/2025 at 0:25 PM, Majed said:

If only enlightened individuals are the most free from self deception, does it mean that everyone else is full of self deception ? And is there a way to rank people on a scale from the most to the less self deceived ?

Enlightened people aren't free of self deception.   They just realized the deception of the self - for that moment.  They can be deceived in many other ways.

[gettoefl]

Deception is that everyone is blind. Self deception is I am blind yet know it not. To free oneself of self deception is to learn to see. I see my lies. Doesn't mean I confess or correct. I can be a wilful psychopath. Previously I had no choice.

Edited 9 hours ago by gettoefl

[Aaron p]

I have 0 self deception 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....or do I

Edited 3 hours ago by Aaron p