What Women Really Want:

[meta_male]

51 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

but women require this little gift of truth presented in an appetising manner much more than men.

How exactly should I have wrapped it – in an appetising manner – when telling my sister, my ex, and another girl that they were brainwashed and in a cult? They eventually followed me out, but they were pissed at me for ages. Not a single thanks in a decade.

Sometimes a hard slap still saves you. Just gotta let them make their high pitched noises and cry about the delivery. Care anyways. Just don't expect a fucking thank you.

[Jirh]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

None of life is about you.

And the opposite is just as true! 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 minutes ago, meta_male said:

How exactly should I have wrapped it – in an appetising manner – when telling my sister, my ex, and another girl that they were brainwashed and in a cult? They eventually followed me out, but they were pissed at me for ages. Not a single thanks in a decade.

Sometimes a hard slap still saves you. Just gotta let them make their high pitched noises and cry about the delivery. Care anyways. Just don't expect a fucking thank you.

I can tell you with 100% certainty what you did was an act of love & care.

You chose what was right, at the expense of harmony. The path of honorable masculinity.

Sometimes the truth must be said. 'Don't shoot the messenger' You don't want to regret not acting.

I don't have much advice myself, and without detracting from your story, I have faced a similar impossible situation. The result was being hated and cut off. But I sleep well at night as a result.

I hope you do, too!

[Natasha Tori Maru]

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Give me the truth -- as long as it feels good and comfortable and doesn't threaten me 

The truth checksum filter for women?

[Jirh]

36 minutes ago, meta_male said:

How exactly should I have wrapped it – in an appetising manner – when telling my sister, my ex, and another girl that they were brainwashed and in a cult? They eventually followed me out, but they were pissed at me for ages. Not a single thanks in a decade.

Sometimes a hard slap still saves you. Just gotta let them make their high pitched noises and cry about the delivery. Care anyways. Just don't expect a fucking thank you.

I have learned that it is possible to deliver truth to women gracefully in most cases, it just requires extraordinary patience and selflessness.

The wrapping is normally like this: "You know that I love you and care about you deeply, and you know that I have your best interests at heart. Can we discuss this topic sometime in the near future?". This, and a few more phrases with the same energy should help loosen their minds up a bit and make them a bit more receptive. Always check receptiveness first before even thinking about confronting others with some harsh truth, especially women, especially the more feminine they are. If there is trust, there will be receptiveness. Although, as I have experienced, sometimes it seems nothing can create that receptiveness, and you just gotta wait it out or slap them in the face, depending on how much danger they're in.

[meta_male]

Women say they want soft words, soul talk, kindness and safety. But time and time again, they follow the ones who speak sharp, lead without hesitation and don't even give a fuck how they come off.

So I’m asking gently, with maximum empathy and a freshly lit jasmine candle burning, in the most tender and loving way: Is there a woman here who’s brave enough to notice this contradiction? If your mouth says "gentle" and your body follows "rough", which one is telling the truth? 🌹

51 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

The path of honorable masculinity.

Not a single woman gives a fuck about that lol.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@meta_male

Well aside from the irony of your last statement, considering I am a woman who identified that trait in you, you're missing the nuance in the discussion.

Truth can be delivered with tact. When you know and care about someone, you are more likely to put in the effort to deliver said truth with tact.

Your confusing what women want within the scope of relationship (already committed) and in the attraction phase. 

Please don't also forget this goes both ways. It applies to men also. I am sure you wouldn't want me to tell you your penis was hardly satisfactory after sex, would you? 

The truth has a time, place, intention. Think about its application in these 3 areas. 

I sense you have goggles on looking for what will confirm your bias.

So, I will bid you good day.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Truth can be delivered with tact.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's been a big day Boss, being called out by all the ladies and such

[meta_male]

@Natasha Tori Maru You're right about the irony. It just falls on deaf ears, heard it a thousand times. Still, thank you for the message, I appreciate it.

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I am sure you wouldn't want me to tell you your penis was hardly satisfactory after sex, would you? 

If you did, I'd just assume you're projecting.

[Puer Aeternus]

2 hours ago, meta_male said:

4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 

Please don't also forget this goes both ways. It applies to men also. I am sure you wouldn't want me to tell you your penis was hardly satisfactory after sex, would you? 

If you did, I'd just assume you're projecting.

 

PFFFFFF, WOT?

Pardon my autism if you're taking the piss mate.

Mr.Meta can you do something for meee.

Just how good is this alleged dick you're slinging where criticism isn't a possible outcome anywhere in the universe? What context are we imagining here? 

Is this is a fighting match! And in a petty attempt to hurt feelings there's a lol well you're hardly satisfying in sex. Maybe the projection shout ain't a bad diagnosis for that.

But what about an honest sit down chat? Can there not be misalignment? Just wasn't satisfying for me can we try something else? Why it gotta be OH PROJECTION! CAN'T BE ME! HER! HER! HERRRR! 

Edited June 18 by Puer Aeternus

[Davino]

Women want Love

Ta daaa!

[Emerald]

10 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Emerald

Eerily similar progression to me.

It didn't help I have 4 brothers (1 sister).

I learned to handle boys, but not the underhanded politics girls employ. Boys were great - say it to my face. Girls - I had to learn to interpret everything but the actual words. Maddening.

I was a pilled little girl lol....

Back to the topic though - What women want?

Safety, love. Done!

I have noticed a lot of women have gone through this. And many never quite leave it.

I think the hatred of the Feminine is one of the rites of passage that girls/young women go through to fit into Patriarchal society and show the loyalty and in-group belonging to the religion of Masculinity... by distancing one's self from the Feminine and (likewise) other girls/women.

And it takes a long time to shake it because of society's collective hatred and worship of the Feminine.

Also, the Feminine gets framed as weak and inferior, when it's actually incredibly powerful (hence why it's so deeply reviled).

[meta_male]

@Puer Aeternus Never said I was untouchable.

People punish how the truth is delivered, not what's being said. Which to us men, stops being raw truth. If we have to soften it, it's already changed. Women often value comfort and safety more than truth. They say it between the lines but rarely admit it.

If she says “can we try something else?”, that’s adult land. They're a rare species though.

Also…it was a joke. Your autism is excused (this is a joke too, relax. Also a joke).

[Emerald]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know what they want. But I can tell you what they don't want: truth 

When are you going to give up this gender war nonsense?

I swear, you're like a little boy in a tree fort with a painted sign that says "No girlz allowed".

[Puer Aeternus]

 

37 minutes ago, meta_male said:

 

If she says “can we try something else?”, that’s adult land. They're a rare species though.

Also…it was a joke. Your autism is excused (this is a joke too, relax. Also a joke).

Fairs, understood, comprehended, my bad and apologies! 

A joke within a joke.. as if. The jokes are infinite. But there is only one true joke underlying it all, me! 

[Keryo Koffa]

34 minutes ago, Puer Aeternus said:

Fairs, understood, comprehended, my bad and apologies! 

A joke within a joke.. as if. The jokes are infinite. But there is only one true joke underlying it all, me! 

Just remember that everyone around is just a thoughtform of yours, taking on the roles of fools and sages,
and deliberately trolling you because you do not know how you create them and your own reality. Ta daaa! 

Edited June 18 by Keryo Koffa

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 hours ago, meta_male said:

 

If you did, I'd just assume you're projecting.

I got no penis tho 😜 

But in all seriousness if that is an assumption you would make, take care, as that also could be read as a defense mechanism to protect you from some truth.

I'm very good at assuming and being wrong. Also very good at making quick decisions and conclusions, and discarding relevant information! I need to work on assessing all facts, as I make connections so quick I discard what doesn't fit 😬

Edited June 18 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Puer Aeternus]

14 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I got no penis tho 😜 

 

Somehow your least believable claim. 

My intuition senses a major disturbance through my screen.. can it merely be big clit energy?

Is the mythical beast down under real? Alas, we shall never know.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 hours ago, Emerald said:

When are you going to give up this gender war nonsense?

I swear, you're like a little boy in a tree fort with a painted sign that says "No girlz allowed".

While I think both genders, depending on topic, can be sensitive to how truth is delivered, women are less able to handle a cold fact. But mainly due to how we function: women tend toward prioritising harmony. This is just a generality as there are some outliers. 

I would say the women of this forum would be a bit more off the general mode on the bell curve. Tending towards being able to handle truth. The main reason I can handle it is due to construction work and working in extreme male dominated fields. It's a different language out there talking to steel guys who weld at 3m high, fall off and climb back on to finish. Rough-as-guts concreters and brick layers. 

I deal with almost totally men on construction sites, and when it comes to that domain, it's cold facts that speak and motivate. They may react in the moment, but they handle it and get on with the job. It won't rattle them enough to prevent work. Women can really be rattled so bad by truth delivered poorly they cannot function optimally after. 

I think it comes down to processing the emotions that rise up. Untactful truth will ripple out emotionally inside a woman for hours, days. For men in general they will react, oh yes, but they integrate and process it quicker. 

Just my observations witnessing men in hardcore male domains 

Edited June 18 by Natasha Tori Maru