What Women Really Want:

[Aaron p]

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Check out this cool soft white underbelly interview with Orion Taraban PhD.

 

Orion has some killer points and also has a beautiful, direct tone focusing on being brutally honest about the sexual market today and the modern relationship between men and women.

 

Very insightful and interesting points here to consider and contemplate.

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[aurum]

This fool again?

We just slammed him in another thread.

[Aaron p]

1 hour ago, aurum said:

This fool again?

We just slammed him in another thread.

@aurum for real bro? Is what he says inaccurate? Can you link me the other thread

[Puer Aeternus]

@Aaron p

 

 

[aurum]

21 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

@aurum for real bro? Is what he says inaccurate? Can you link me the other thread

Of course it's inaccurate. He's just redpill /manosphere in the form of a psychologist. 

All these redpill guys have emotional wounding around women. Or they are making money off of guys who do. Or both.

They have low ego development and do not understand how badly biased their perspective is. They refuse to integrate feminism at all, like it's battery acid. Which allows them to ignore all the problems of their own ideology.

All you have to do to see through their bullshit is ask them two questions:

1) What is your solution to the real problems that lead to feminism?

2) What were the benefits of feminism?

You will see they have no real answer. All they have is reactionary nonsense.

Edited June 16 by aurum

[Emerald]

I've seen a few of this guy's videos, and they really just exist as a hug box for men who are insecure in dating/relationships.

His formula is basically this...

"Here's an explanation of how men have all the power and how women are inherently powerless compared to men. And men are blameless... while women are to blame because of character flaws that are baked into their nature. And women are wisest to just settle for what they can get because they're powerless, and if they don't realize this they will die old and alone as cat ladies... and they'll deserve it." 

And he frames this as general advice towards men and women. But in actuality, the target audience is 99% insecure guys who feel soothed by these narratives as it gives them a scapegoat to put the responsibility for their dating problems onto.

But it just holds them back from taking personal responsibility for their dating/relationship issues... and paralyzed in a state of cold comfort that "at least women will get their comeuppance."

[meta_male]

What makes you think women need to be decoded? Consuming manual after manual to understand half of the population. Start decoding that impulse instead.

This guy intellectualizes his resentment around women, wraps it up in historical and evolutionary context and socialogical analysis, so it sounds profound and grounded. That's how you end up knowing everything about "market value" but still can't connect on a human level. Nothing new and definitely not helpful for you as an individual who wants more than temporary comfort.

[something_else]

6 hours ago, Emerald said:

I've seen a few of this guy's videos, and they really just exist as a hug box for men who are insecure in dating/relationships.

His formula is basically this...

"Here's an explanation of how men have all the power and how women are inherently powerless compared to men. And men are blameless... while women are to blame because of character flaws that are baked into their nature. And women are wisest to just settle for what they can get because they're powerless, and if they don't realize this they will die old and alone as cat ladies... and they'll deserve it." 

And he frames this as general advice towards men and women. But in actuality, the target audience is 99% insecure guys who feel soothed by these narratives as it gives them a scapegoat to put the responsibility for their dating problems onto.

But it just holds them back from taking personal responsibility for their dating/relationship issues... and paralyzed in a state of cold comfort that "at least women will get their comeuppance."

He's the perfect example of a very intelligent person who has a deeply flawed world view. He can create extremely convincing, eloquent, and logical arguments which resonate with a lot of people... but they're all based on a deeply flawed view of the world.

[Spiral]

I think you’ll struggle to convince his audience with just being critical of him as a person as opposite to his arguments.

The tricky thing with redpill ideology is that they not entirely wrong. Just like most ideologies

[Aaron p]

2 minutes ago, Spiral said:

I think you’ll struggle to convince his audience with just being critical of him as a person as opposite to his arguments.

The tricky thing with redpill ideology is that they not entirely wrong. Just like most ideologies

Yes this is the thing...like a lot of what he's saying is right, it's confusing my mind lol. Like i think it's totally reasonable to say that mostly, women want what other women want. Just like a social thing...

I think he just generalises too much...I think?

Edited June 17 by Aaron p

[Aaron p]

Ok I'm gathering that this is just a mess and we should probably skip over 

[Majed]

@aurum Who should we listen to then for dating advice ? 

Btw i watched a few videos of his, and he sounds solid. You can learn a lot from him, now i'm not saying he's perfect, you gotta distinguish the signal from the noise.

Edited June 17 by Majed

[Leo Gura]

Orion makes many valid points. It's just that the overall message has a slant to it. And the message is likely to give you a sour view of women which will hurt your ability to relate to them.

To be success in this domain it is crucial that you drop all ideology. Make it your goal to have zero ideology about dating and women. Zero ideology! Date without an ideology about it. Discard any content that tries to instill ideology in you.

Edited June 17 by Leo Gura

[Majed]

@Leo Gura I mean practicing pick up made me realize how shallow women are, like they don't care about me or my person, only my pick up skills matters to attract them, which is just like doesn't make me want to relate to them or love them. Like they don't care about who i am deep down, what makes me vibrate, and feel passioned or alive, they only care about how i approach them... It's a very transactional kind of thing in the end. 

Plus pick up is a very fast seduction kind of thing where you can get sexual with a girl very fast. Ideally i want a girl not for sex but for sharing the same passions as me for philosophy, epistemology, metaphysics, understanding reality, language learning, rap music maybe... 

Edited June 17 by Majed

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Majed said:

It's a very transactional kind of thing in the end.

That's life. Don't make it personal. None of life is about you.

Life requires letting go of romantic fantasies. Letting them go makes you more grounded and stronger.

Life is not about pleasing you. Life is about survival.

Edited June 17 by Leo Gura

[Majed]

@Leo Gura Therefore my attitude is either to not want to engage with women anymore or being a sociopath and treating them as sex objects to be conquered to score a point and add more numbers to my lay count. If they do not care about me, which attitude should i take towards them other than the two i just iterated ?

[AION]

Orion guy is a level headed very cultured and intelligent guy. He is an arts guy and a big heart. You can just tell. He helped me a lot with this book. The other day I made a post about it but everybody ignored it. Instead everybody is making his own thread about him. 

 

Edited June 17 by AION

[aurum]

28 minutes ago, Majed said:

@aurum Who should we listen to then for dating advice ? 

Your own experience and contemplation, primarily.

[AION]

22 hours ago, aurum said:

This fool again?

We just slammed him in another thread.

I actually won that slam dunk 😁

[Spiral]

I’ve found that if you only interact or see content with women online, they seem pretty awful. However in person they are normally quite kind and friendly.

Perceiving them as kind and friendly, is probably better for your chances with them. 

The truth about how they actually are? probably somewhere in between.