How Do I Understand THIS Girl

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

women having stimulating small talks with each other

That is funnier than what I said.

[Emerald]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yeah, the men go there for the stimulating small-talk. 

Of course the primary value of going to a sex worker is sex.

But when I was in my 20s, I went down an internet rabbit hole of learning about the realities of phone sex operators (mostly) and other types of sex workers.

And apparently it happens so often that many of the men who go to sex workers and call phone sex operators are looking for a therapist they can get sexual with. I also personally know a courtesan who has told me similar things about some of her clients.

I'd imagine that it was like when I went to New Orleans about 10 years ago. And I bought a 20 minute psychic reading, and I totally related to that lady as a therapist rather than as a psychic. Surprising even to myself, I wasn't even that interested in the psychic stuff once the reading got going, despite being really interested in getting a psychic reading before that.

I just couldn't help going into therapeutic territory because I didn't have any other outlet at the time to talk to about my struggles.

So, it wouldn't be a surprise to me if sex workers commonly experience the same kinds of things.

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

But with accurate and honest interoception you will find men can facilitate growth just as much as women. Have you not experienced this within relationship? The men I have been with have been powerful. Powerful catalysts for change. This could go back to the type of men who I have been with. I tend to go for power, even when it is not good for me. I also very, very honestly attend to the learning experiences within relationship. I would be dishonest with myself, and quite arrogant, to think I facilitated more growth to another, than accurately seeing the growth that went both ways. Pain is always involved.

It's a different kind of growth. I'm assuming you're speaking of learning from these men as opposed to growing because of these men. A man can get a different type of value from a woman than she gets from a man. Without getting into specifics and for brevity's sake, I'm not saying both don't grow but, imo, a man's growth from being with women is more long-term and highly beneficial to him VS a woman's growth where she might only grow from learning in that particular relationship. A man can learn and grow and know a lot about women, pursuit, leadership, confidence, etcetc from just being with one woman. The mile stretches further from him with less effort in terms of quantity. Not sure if that's clear.

These are just my opinions, BTW, not absolute facts nor across the board with everyone; there are always exceptions.

11 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Why would the amount of sex a woman has make her value go down? Are you sure that isn't your own personal feeling? 

Not the amount of sex, perse, but the amount of sexual partners. I'm not speaking necessarily monetarily. How many guts of any value do you hear speak of wanting a promiscuous female. The more a woman who is not taken off the market by a particular guy, the more he tends to not value her in terms of long-term monogamous commitment. He will take the sex and string her along but won't invest as much because he's getting the cow for free. I've seen even men on here say how they'd sleep with multiple partners before getting married. They don't value those women as much to invest in them. I'm speaking investment wise.

 

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That is funnier than what I said.

😅😅it was meant to be.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Of course the primary value of going to a sex worker is sex.

But when I was in my 20s, I went down an internet rabbit hole of learning about the realities of phone sex operators (mostly) and other types of sex workers.

And apparently it happens so often that many of the men who go to sex workers and call phone sex operators are looking for a therapist they can get sexual with. I also personally know a courtesan who has told me similar things about some of her clients.

I'd imagine that it was like when I went to New Orleans about 10 years ago. And I bought a 20 minute psychic reading, and I totally related to that lady as a therapist rather than as a psychic. Surprising even to myself, I wasn't even that interested in the psychic stuff once the reading got going, despite being really interested in getting a psychic reading before that.

I just couldn't help going into therapeutic territory because I didn't have any other outlet at the time to talk to about my struggles.

So, it wouldn't be a surprise to me if sex workers commonly experience the same kinds of things.

Interesting.

In my experience the path to most men's feelings has been through sex.

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Emerald said:

So, it wouldn't be a surprise to me if sex workers commonly experience the same kinds of things.

I'm just quoting this part, but yes, we tend to not engage for too long before the guy commits to a real date because talking and engaging too long for 'free' can be enough for some to get their 'fix' and just waste your time. It's something one learns in the process. Some initial getting to know is required but some guys will string along, especially if it's on the phone, just to be able to just talk and engage and that'll be enough. It all depends, though, and I'm never referring to street walkers as that's just in a different category that I don't engage in. 

I've seen where a guy would talk to a female for awhile who didn't know any better and kept his company for nothing on end hoping she'll convince him then a hotter chick cones along who doesn't play around and gives him the sexy look and ge goes straight away with her. The other female list out because she spent too much time cuddling his fancy and he was now ready fir some real fun but she now was in the friend zone and therapist zone. 

[Princess Arabia]

8 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Interesting.

In my experience the path to most men's feelings has been through sex.

I think it's because they won't turn it down if available but it's not where true fulfillment lies. (relatively speaking).

Edited Monday at 03:30 AM by Princess Arabia

[Hojo]

This is a massive shit test do not engage with it just act friendly but disenge all flirty and maybe sometimes act like she's weird or retarded in some way. She's playing mental games and you need to let her know that you are better than her tests.

If she is texting you alot obviously she is interested but maybe women who are super hot get alot of freaks who flip out easily and she is trying to make sure you are secure enough to flip not out.

Men maybe obsessed over her super fast cause she's so hot. It could be a long game but stop the interest i would say. Just make her a bro insta friend zone. Its not worth your mental to keep trying to guess.

Edited Monday at 03:35 AM by Hojo

[Princess Arabia]

If I had to have sex by being a prostitute, I would have never become one or be in the industry for this long. I'm not lying when I say I'm probably the most sexless (intercourse wise) person on the planet since i've been doing this work. I had more sex as a non-worker than I have in this field. So much so that if a guy's dick is too big I'd give him a refund if he wanted to have sex. My belly would hurt and my pussy torn up. Ok that's way too much info. You guys are just unaware of what established men are willing to pay for. It's sexual in nature, yes, but intercourse is not necessary and far and few. In 10-15yrs of doing this I probably had intercourse like 10x or maybe less because I remember 5yrs straight of none. (in the field, that is). 

[aurum]

14 minutes ago, Hojo said:

This is a massive shit test do not engage with it just act friendly but disenge all flirty and maybe sometimes act like she's weird or retarded in some way.

This is unnecessary.

[CARDOZZO]

Nightclubs are now coffee shops with zero alcohol, djs, vibes. Huge shift! Gen-z is refusing the nightlife.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

12 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I think it's because they won't turn it down if available but it's not where true fulfillment lies. (relatively speaking).

It could be how I view it also - I see sex as an act and expression of love from a man to a woman. Love he is giving to her, in a language he himself understands. This is interpreting the act given in a totally non-transactional way. For real lovemaking is when you are genuinely concerned with the pleasure and satisfaction of your partner.

The cure for a mans terrible day can be in the act of lovemaking. Emotions and feelings for the man, flow out from the act.

Whereas the cure for a womans terrible day can be in emotion as the currency (talking/feeling). Sex flows from the feelings/emotions, for the woman.

2 different languages coming together to meet in the middle. Both arrive at intimacy, simply from different paths.

Yin/Yang.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It could be how I view it also - I see sex as an act and expression of love from a man to a woman. Love he is giving to her, in a language he himself understands. This is interpreting the act given in a totally non-transactional way.

You're describing exactly what I said earlier (not to you but Leo) about men giving and women receiving. They are both giving and receiving but in direct action she receives and he gives. That's the sexual act itself in a nutshell. It is an expression of love.

[Princess Arabia]

11 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Nightclubs are now coffee shops with zero alcohol, djs, vibes. Huge shift! Gen-z is refusing the nightlife.

No need to much when there's social media and Tinder. Restaurant bars, casino nightclubs and sports bars are the thing these days.

[Hojo]

@aurum No its not its the same thing she is trying to do to him. She is trying to make him blow up or get questioning that she owe him anything, so she can make him look and feel retarded. Thats what the hot and cold tactic is.

Its just reverse unoing the woman.

Why is the mind game over doing it when its the man that can do it? The woman can blatantly do it but he can't?

This is malicious behavior for survival purposes. Shes being mean to him on purpose! But its too mean to do it back cause she's a sensitive woman?

Edited Monday at 04:22 AM by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

Of course the primary value of going to a sex worker is sex.

We were talking about clubs.

[aurum]

42 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@aurum No its not its the same thing she is trying to do to him. She is trying to make him blow up or get questioning that she owe him anything, so she can make him look and feel retarded. Thats what the hot and cold tactic is.

Its just reverse unoing the woman.

Why is the mind game over doing it when its the man that can do it? The woman can blatantly do it but he can't?

This is malicious behavior for survival purposes. Shes being mean to him on purpose! But its too mean to do it back cause she's a sensitive woman?

You guys immediately assume the most nefarious motives about women.

Yeah, she's doing survival. But you're still overreacting.

Some of you seem to imagine that sleeping with women involves winning some kind of war against them. That's not what it's like at all.

You want to fight with women, but fighting is not how the dance is done. It's way too combative. People sleep with together when they like each other and when they're having fun.

Try assuming women actually want to sleep with you, even if she's giving you some tests.

[Hojo]

@aurum Im not saying fight women I am saying the opposite of that. I am saying ignore all attraction stop flirting with the woman who is trying to manipulate you. When men play these mind games they get mind fucked while the woman knows what she is doing. There is no fight here its for his own good. If a woman is disrespecting you you should be able to disrespect them back when you see them doing it. 

This tactic is like a succubus tactic she is trying to get emotional reactions from him. Its malicious and negative. Its exactly like bullying.

After all interactions with her he will feel mind fucked until she is controlling him.

 

 

Edited Monday at 05:20 AM by Hojo

[aurum]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@aurum Im not saying fight women I am saying the opposite of that. I am saying ignore all attraction stop flirting with the woman who is trying to manipulate you. When men play these mind games they get mind fucked while the woman knows what she is doing. There is no fight here its for his own good. If a woman is disrespecting you you should be able to disrespect them back when you see them doing it. 

This tactic is like a succubus tactic she is trying to get emotional reactions from him. Its malicious and negative.

Your entire attitude is still combative.

[Hojo]

@aurum Its defensive after being swung at multiple times.

My answer- Let her come to you

You - Stop attacking women! You can thirst after her pussy! Not thirsting after her pussy is combative behavior!

Edited Monday at 05:26 AM by Hojo