Israel launches attack on Iran

[Atb210201]

8 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

Usually when people don't like a place, they just leave. If enough people wanted the regime out there would have already been a revolution without the need of some outside force

No that's why I say you don't have your facts right.

This is our country and we want to live in our own country not leave it and besides a lot of people already left millions but most people don't have the means and can't leave for financial reasons and the economy is also as bad as it gets.

Also the regime is brutal in its oppression and kills people with real bullets so normal people like us can't do a revolution that easily.

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[Wilhelm44]

24 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

No that's why I say you don't have your facts right.

This is our country and we want to live in our own country not leave it and besides a lot of people already left millions but most people don't have the means and can't leave for financial reasons and the economy is also as bad as it gets.

Also the regime is brutal in its oppression and kills people with real bullets so normal people like us can't do a revolution that easily.

What do you think is going to happen in this war, do you think the regime will fall ?

[Atb210201]

16 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

What do you think is going to happen in this war, do you think the regime will fall ?

The regime will fall for sure that's inevitable sooner or later.

But not right now still they are strong and they will resist and I don't think Israel will be able to do that. The final blow must be from the US.

[GroovyGuru]

Whether or not this Iranian regime falls, which would probably be good for the Iranian people but very bad for the Shia community in the ME and devastating for any hope of curtailing Israeli and American expansion and dominance in the region, I hope they are at least able to serve Israel a taste of what it deserves before all is said and done. 

[Wilhelm44]

27 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

The regime will fall for sure that's inevitable sooner or later.

But not right now still they are strong and they will resist and I don't think Israel will be able to do that. The final blow must be from the US.

I hear you, if America gets directly involved, do you not think there's a danger that Russia or China might also get involved ?

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[PurpleTree]

I hope All those regimes fall together like dominoes. And then it’s world peace ☮️ 

Edited June 14 by PurpleTree

[GroovyGuru]

If this regime survives this onslaught, their number one priority should be to stop fooling around and start building nuclear weapons

[PurpleTree]

Listening to this

Jeffrey Sachs on Iran, Russia and so on.

What irks me about this guy is how one sided he is though. For example he says how Putin is so pro US and pro European. When in fact i think Putin lies all the time. He is KGB and also manipulative. Whike Sachs seems to believe him everything. 

[PurpleTree]

12 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Listening to this

Jeffrey Sachs on Iran, Russia and so on.

What irks me about this guy is how one sided he is though. For example he says how Putin is so pro US and pro European. When in fact i think Putin lies all the time. He is KGB and also manipulative. Whike Sachs seems to believe him everything. 

At around 1h30 he talks about how the war in Syria destabilised Europe because of the refugee crisis and how “not 1 politician in Europe said, America maybe shouldn’t wage those wars because it destabilises us here”

But i think i remember hearing some European politicians talk about that. How it’s Americas fault basically. But they should have talked about it more.

[Raze]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/damage-to-iranian-nuclear-sites-so-far-doesnt-appear-significant-say-experts/
 

Israeli media now reporting Iranian nuclear sites have gained significant damage.

So either they’ll try to do it with further strikes or they’re trying to pressure Iran into starting to try and make nukes to force the US to intervene finally.

[Atb210201]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I hear you, if America gets directly involved, do you not think there's a danger that Russia or China might also get involved ?

I don't think Trump is with Netanyahu and I also think Trump and Putin are allies, don't know about China yet.

So this would make things go in different directions.

And if America with Trump attacks it would not be the same as Israel and Netanyahu till then I guess Netanyahu's regime will fall sooner than the Iranian regime.

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[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I hear you, if America gets directly involved, do you not think there's a danger that Russia or China might also get involved ?

Russia already has more than enough problems, and although Iran is its ally, the fall of the Iranian regime will not have a decisive impact on it. Russia is focused on Ukraine.

China is an ally of Iran, and the Silk Road Railway is very important to them, but China will be an ally of the next regime. China is flexible, and its focus is on integrating the 500 million poor it still has into its society. It only seeks the greatest benefit in business. It doesn't care about the world order, whatever it may be, everyone will have to negotiate with China. For China, everyone is a client.

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Listening to this

Jeffrey Sachs on Iran, Russia and so on.

What irks me about this guy is how one sided he is though. For example he says how Putin is so pro US and pro European. When in fact i think Putin lies all the time. He is KGB and also manipulative. Whike Sachs seems to believe him everything. 

Also at 1.46 he says Iran doesn’t want a nuclear weapon. And Russians don’t want them to have a nuclear weapon.

Which i think is more absolute gullible hogwash. I think they want the bomb and i don’t blame them for it. 
 

Jeffrey Sachs they said they don’t want the bomb lol

[Breakingthewall]

Right now, all the Arab countries are toasting with champagne to the Israeli missiles, which will destroy all nuclear facilities and delay the Iranian Nuke project by five years. China and Russia are also toasting, since they know the US isn't going to invade Iran (it couldn't), and that the Iranian regime isn't going to fall; it will only prevent the region from fracturing its balance. So, everyone will protest indignantly and then go about their business.

[Wilhelm44]

1 hour ago, Atb210201 said:

I don't think Trump is with Netanyahu and I also think Trump and Putin are allies, don't know about China yet.

So this would make things go in different directions.

And if America with Trump attacks it would not be the same as Israel and Netanyahu till then I guess Netanyahu's regime will fall sooner than the Iranian regime.

May you and your family make it through this war safely.

[Wilhelm44]

54 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Russia already has more than enough problems, and although Iran is its ally, the fall of the Iranian regime will not have a decisive impact on it. Russia is focused on Ukraine.

China is an ally of Iran, and the Silk Road Railway is very important to them, but China will be an ally of the next regime. China is flexible, and its focus is on integrating the 500 million poor it still has into its society. It only seeks the greatest benefit in business. It doesn't care about the world order, whatever it may be, everyone will have to negotiate with China. For China, everyone is a client.

Thanks, that makes sense.

[Atb210201]

5 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

May you and your family make it through this war safely.

Thank you for your kindness.

May there be no war at all in no region of the world.

[Twentyfirst]

4 hours ago, Atb210201 said:

No that's why I say you don't have your facts right.

This is our country and we want to live in our own country not leave it and besides a lot of people already left millions but most people don't have the means and can't leave for financial reasons and the economy is also as bad as it gets.

Also the regime is brutal in its oppression and kills people with real bullets so normal people like us can't do a revolution that easily.

Fair enough. But remember Trump is sending protestors to guantanomo. Grass is always greener

I hope you get what you want though, it's your country  

[Twentyfirst]

Did anyone in this thread mention that Netanyahu fled to Greece? Flee the sinking ship lol

[PurpleTree]