Israel launches attack on Iran

[danniel]

@BlessedLion Realisation lol. Its a slightly self punch to the ego but it is the way. How history unfolded and how it will unfold, barely anything in our hands. And with the flow of information in everyone's hand, everyone is right, everyone's world view is just. Even tho the lessons of this website is of one mind and all, yet it is divided and super polarized and fortified. 

Though i don't know if that's the most right thing to do either, that is my personal opinion🤷‍♂️

[Atb210201]

20 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

What percentage though?

I think every government kills its own citizens, no? How many citizens have died and what were the reasons? 

Bottom line is people hate this regime so much the regime is their enemy first and foremost.

So anything that the regime is rooting for the people are against.

Every enemy of the regime is their friend.

The hate is just so much it cannot be controled anymore.

I don't see any kind of Peace happening between the regime and the people.

It's long gone and not an option to think about.

Only 1500 people were killed in 6 years ago for gasoline price raise and that's just tip of the iceberg and it was even before the Mahsa Amini Uprising in 3 years ago in which lots of people mostly teenagers and youngsters were killed again for protests for hijab and the rage after that just became unstoppable till now and couldn't be handled anymore. (I didn't even mention many more things like the PS752 Ukrainian plane shoot down by the regime killing it's own people on that plane and not even apologising for it calling it a human mistake.)

Edited Saturday at 05:15 AM by Atb210201

[danniel]

Reminds me, while Israel attacked Iran, at the same night, Gaza was put into internet blackout, as optical fiber lines were bombed and mass shootings took place overnight.

UN says full internet blackout in Gaza, paralyzing aid operations
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-says-full-internet-blackout-gaza-paralyzing-aid-operations-2025-06-12/

People were killed in Israeli drone strikes while waiting for basic aid distributed by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/12/israeli-strikes-kill-at-least-42-across-gaza-as-un-eyes-ceasefire-vote

these events took place very close to each other.

[Twentyfirst]

10 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Bottom line is people hate this regime so much the regime is their enemy first and foremost.

So anything that the regime is rooting for the people are against.

Every enemy of the regime is their friend.

The hate is just so much it cannot be controled anymore.

I don't see any kind of Peace happening between the regime and the people.

It's long gone and not an option to think about.

Only 1500 people were killed in 6 years ago for gasoline price rise and that's just tip of the iceberg and it was even before the Mahsa Amini Uprising in 3 years ago in which lots of people mostly teenagers and youngsters were killed again for protests for hijab and the rage after that just became unstoppable till now and couldn't be handled anymore. (I didn't even mention many more things like the PS752 Ukrainian plane shoot down by the regime killing it's own people on that plane and not even apologising for it calling it a human mistake.)

Governments are so evil but this is light stuff 

So basically you want to replace this regime with a regime that allows you to protest/have free speech? Told you before that you are influenced by the West 

[Atb210201]

1 minute ago, Twentyfirst said:

Governments are so evil but this is light stuff 

So basically you want to replace this regime with a regime that allows you to protest/have free speech? Told you before that you are influenced by the West 

Of course everyone wants freedom.

How is that even a case for debate?

Being oppressed and killed under this regime is better?

So what if the west is influencing my people?

They're OK with it and with being more like the west, what's the problem?

[Raze]

29 minutes ago, samijiben said:

@Raze how is it propaganda that Iran was making nukes? They have nuclear facilities??? Is that also propaganda??

"But No!! The Nuclear facilities are just so that they can have a safe space to talk about peace so that the Evil Zionist Entity doesn't destroy them!"

 

Because there is a difference between having nuclear facilities and making nuclear weapons. In order to make nuclear weapons they’d have to raise the uranium to weapons grade enrichment, which they haven’t done. 

[Wilhelm44]

My wife's family still lives in Iran. Only about 20percent of the people support the current government. Iranians in general are very intellectual. ps the government is not allowing anyone to leave Tehran at the moment.

[Nivsch]

@Raze Don’t project the obvious double standard coming from your camp onto me. If you can’t already see the criticism I direct at the militant sectors in my society then nothing I will ever add will convince you otherwise.

Edited Saturday at 05:40 AM by Nivsch

[samijiben]

@Raze uhhh, simple google search? Hello?

 

(Edit: see that they enriched uranium ALMOST to weapons-grade, putting them days away from making dozens or so nukes. But what does that matter anyways? Does your argument of Iran making nukes being propaganda hinge on this turning point that is a matter of days?)

Point is, Iran is tryna make dem nukes. Dat's why they be enriching da uranium, man.

 

Edited Saturday at 05:47 AM by samijiben

[Wilhelm44]

This Dome is quite something. Maybe only 5 or 10 percent of Iran's attack will get through.

[danniel]

@samijiben Which is why talks bw USA and Iran were going to take place in Oman on 15th which is now cancelled.  Even USA has supports more diplomatic path in this topic. 

This does not justify an attack on a country. Almost every other leader said the same thing as USA. 

Now to think would Iran have respected the talks and stopped developments any further? 
Who could tell that now? The attacks will only polarize Iran more towards acquiring the warheads even more.

This is last part is my personal opinion but this is merely a push to divert attention from Gaza, they attacked the group of Palestinians waiting for aid with drones while blacking out the internet.  

[samijiben]

Israeli military technology is baffling. The precision. The sophistication. The intelligence (lowercase i, lolol)

What if that intelligence was used for peaceful stuff?

[samijiben]

@danniel definitely does not justify attack on Iran, totally with you there. 

My point was just that Iran was tryna make dem Nukes 

And also my point is that Iran making nukes = threat to survival of Israel.

 

[Twentyfirst]

40 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Of course everyone wants freedom.

How is that even a case for debate?

Being oppressed and killed under this regime is better?

So what if the west is influencing my people?

They're OK with it and with being more like the west, what's the problem?

Usually when people don't like a place, they just leave. If enough people wanted the regime out there would have already been a revolution without the need of some outside force

[danniel]

@samijiben but consider the other end, Arabs and Iran dont like each other that much, like how Usa loves Isreal, so not having those warheads means a threat to iran of their survival, as the PM of israel and his supporters love the anti-Iraq Iran ideology.

Basically, there is no strong safety net for land of Iran if they don't build one for themselves - Would be an iranian viewpoint.  

ps - italics is for the point i do know they support Armed proxy groups but they are not a strong defensive mechanism on which they could rely on in a war. also i dont disagree w your point either, i just am entertaining this other perspective of the situation.

[Wilhelm44]

4 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Usually when people don't like a place, they just leave. If enough people wanted the regime out there would have already been a revolution without the need of some outside force

What country are you from ? Do you think it's that easy to just have a revolution and overthrow a dictatorial government ? The people in Iran who support the government are definitely a minority.

[Raze]

28 minutes ago, samijiben said:

@Raze uhhh, simple google search? Hello?

 

(Edit: see that they enriched uranium ALMOST to weapons-grade, putting them days away from making dozens or so nukes. But what does that matter anyways? Does your argument of Iran making nukes being propaganda hinge on this turning point that is a matter of days?) Point is, Iran is tryna make dem nukes. Dat's why they be enriching da uranium,

Your image supports what I said. 

If they wanted nukes they could have made them, but they didn’t and kept the enrichment below weaponization threshold.

[Twentyfirst]

39 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

What country are you from ? Do you think it's that easy to just have a revolution and overthrow a dictatorial government ? The people in Iran who support the government are definitely a minority.

How many Americans support the American government? I am pretty sure most of them are unhappy with the government for the last 30 years no matter who they elect. Since when do Americans get what they want? They never get what they want on their wish list. Does that mean another country should topple the government? 

I am not pro or anti Iran. But why now does Netanyahu want to do the Iranian people a favor by liberating them? Why after October 7th and all these massacres and not before? 

Netanyahu has been warning about Iran building nukes since forever so why didn't he attack before? This is a list of all the times Netanyahu has been warning about Irans nukes

All I am really pointing out is when dealing with entire nations of innocent people then observers should be less quick to conclusions and jumpy and a bit more cautious. Take a step back and really think about it and look at the facts of history. Even when overthrowing your own government it's a serious thing. Even claiming independence from another country could be dangerous because maybe someone worse takes your independence than the country you were dependent on before 

 

Edited Saturday at 06:50 AM by Twentyfirst

[Wilhelm44]

@Twentyfirst  Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Bibi either, but this might be a blessing in disguise for the people of Iran.

 

[danniel]

19 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

How many Americans support the American government? I am pretty sure most of them are unhappy with the government for the last 30 years no matter who they elect. Since when do Americans get what they want? They never get what they want on their wish list. Does that mean another country should topple the government? 

I am not pro or anti Iran. But why now does Netanyahu want to do the Iranian people a favor by liberating them? Why after October 7th and all these massacres and not before? 

Netanyahu has been warning about Iran building nukes since forever so why didn't he attack before? This is a list of all the times Netanyahu has been warning about Irans nukes

All I am really pointing out is when dealing with entire nations of innocent people then observers should be less quick to conclusions and jumpy and a bit more cautious. Take a step back and really think about it and look at the facts of history. Even when overthrowing your own government it's a serious thing. Even claiming independence from another country could be dangerous because maybe someone worse takes your independence than the country you were dependent on before 

 

This is a massive evidence, further enforces the point that the attack was another push of PM to stay in power as he was threatened by senior members of his coalition govt of dissolution of the government, and additionally to divert attention from Gaza.

Cause you cant create a new govt in midst of the war. Thank you for this pointer.