Israel launches attack on Iran

[Twentyfirst]

21 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Where are you from? Which country are you living in?

I know that I'm not a minority here actually I'm not on any sides myself I just don't want any wars but people who are opposed to the Islamic Republic regime are actually the majority in Iran and pro Israelis are the majority as well exactly for that reason that they are enemies with the state.

So it's important that where you get your information from.

Cause you seem to be far from the facts that are in my living experience in the fucking country you're talking about.

I am not saying it's amazing to live in Iran but you should zoom out and see a lot has to do with Western/Israeli influences. They are not your friends because they don't care about you, simple

I promise you whatever happens the culture will stay more or less the same. It's like saying once the Chinese government is overthrown then Chinese people won't have slanted eyes anymore. Whatever happens in Iran the men and women in the region will continue to dress more or less the same

[Atb210201]

28 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

I am not saying it's amazing to live in Iran but you should zoom out and see a lot has to do with Western/Israeli influences. They are not your friends because they don't care about you, simple

I promise you whatever happens the culture will stay more or less the same. It's like saying once the Chinese government is overthrown then Chinese people won't have slanted eyes anymore. Whatever happens in Iran the men and women in the region will continue to dress more or less the same

That's not the important thing here the people of Iran will choose what they would want for themselves. Whatever it is going to be.

But the facts are still facts, the majority are enemies with the regime more than they're with the West or Israel even if hypothetically they are enemies with the West or Israel to some degree (which they aren't as much as I'm concerned at least right now they aren't.)

The degree is much higher with the regime.

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[BlessedLion]

Iran has the right to defend itself, this was a vicious attack. Israel seems to think it can just go around attacking everyone around them and there won’t be any retaliation or fight back. Time will tell. You can’t act like this much of a devil for this long 

[Nivsch]

14 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

Iran has the right to defend itself, this was a vicious attack. Israel seems to think it can just go around attacking everyone around them and there won’t be any retaliation or fight back. Time will tell. You can’t act like this much of a devil for this long 

Luckily it won't be able to "defend itself" with nukes 😌

[BlessedLion]

Deleting old post. Done putting energy into this. 

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[Twentyfirst]

35 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

That's not the important thing here the people of Iran will choose what they would want for themselves. Whatever it is going to be.

But the facts are still facts, the majority are enemies with the regime more than they're with the West or Israel even if hypothetically they are enemies with the West or Israel to some degree (which they aren't as much as I'm concerned at least right now they aren't.)

The degree is much higher with the regime.

There are 90 million Iranians. What percentage is for and against the regime?

[Atb210201]

3 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

There are 90 million Iranians. What percentage is for and against the regime?

I would say at least 60 percent are against the regime for sure and even that's with generosity.

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[samijiben]

@BlessedLion you seem to hate Israel very much. But Iran: JUST FINE!

How does this make sense?

You leftists are framing this war as good vs. Evil. It is not that. It is evil vs. Evil.

 

[Nivsch]

@BlessedLion This isn't about brainwashing. Netanyahu's government is horrible (if to put aside the war in Iran which is another thing) and there are enough sectors in Israel who criticise him. It is just that you take those militant Right wing sectors and generalize them on Israel as a whole without you really knowing the country. You ask Israelis to behave honest towards Palestinians but see what you are doing right now on Israelis.

[samijiben]

@Twentyfirst when an Iranian tells you that he is upset with the Aytolla Regime, and he is LIVING there, and you still double-down on your pro-Iranian position, does that mean that open-mindedness has flown out the window?

[Raze]

Iran isn’t firing much more missiles than they did last time. More seem to have gotten through so they probably did something this time. Another indication is hezbollah said they won’t attack, if Iran actually thought it had to go for broke it would tell Hezbollah to fire its long range missiles that they sent them specifically to defend Iran.

To me this indicates them trying to do enough damage to make israel not want to escalate for fear it increases, but not doing so much damage as to make them want to escalate.

I don’t think this goes into a regional war, I don’t think the US would be willing to fully go ahead with attacking Iran as Rubio insisted the US wasn’t involved in his statement. And I don’t think israel would want a full scale war unless the US was directly intervening.

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[Raze]

53 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Luckily it won't be able to "defend itself" with nukes 😌

The reason why people aren’t falling for your narrative that it’s all Netanyahu’s fault, is because the people claiming to oppose him like you actually support his dumbest / worse actions.

You have never posted anything regarding Israel’s endless war crimes against Palestinians, you just don’t like the war because you don’t like how it politically helps Netanyahu and hurts the hostages. You continue to post debunked propaganda about “ratios” to justify to yourself your unwillingness to be against Israel killing 20,000 children.

Now you’re falling for the obvious propaganda that Iran was making nukes and israel stopped them. In reality no credible report indicated Iran was trying to make nukes, even US intelligence admitted this, and Israel doesn’t have the capability to permanently end their nuclear program. (If they could, the US wouldn’t be still asking for negotiations, in fact if the US could they would have joined the strikes, but US assessments held even with direct US support it would just delay it ). They haven’t even struck every site. If anything this strike will just lead them to think they need to make nukes otherwise their regime will always be at risk. At the same time this is clearly to strengthen Netanyahu’s political position, but the same as post oct 7 your bloodthirst blinds you into supporting what helps him.

You are not morally any different from Netanyahu, posting pride flags or whatever as though that proves it while celebrating mass murder just looks bizarre and disturbing to most people who aren’t immersed in Zionist conditioning.

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[Twentyfirst]

12 minutes ago, samijiben said:

@Twentyfirst when an Iranian tells you that he is upset with the Aytolla Regime, and he is LIVING there, and you still double-down on your pro-Iranian position, does that mean that open-mindedness has flown out the window?

When did I say I was pro Iranian?

[Twentyfirst]

24 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

I would say at least 60 percent are against the regime for sure and even that's with generosity.

So you trust Netanyahu who just slaughtered 100,000 babes, children, women, and men for no reason at all more than the current leadership in Iran?

What did Iran do that's worse than genocide where you can trust Israel more?

[Joshe]

“The US will defend itself and Israel if Iran retaliates” - Trump 

[Atb210201]

7 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

So you trust Netanyahu who just slaughtered 100,000 babes, children, women, and men for no reason at all more than the current leadership in Iran?

What did Iran do that's worse than genocide where you can trust Israel more?

Not me the majority of people.

Because the regime killed more Iranian civilians in the past few years than any foreign country.

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[Raze]

6 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Not me the majority of people.

Because the regime killed more Iranian civilians in the past few years than any foreign country.

They aren’t going to free iran from regime and replace it with a better one, they to turn it into Libya or Syria. All the Israelis you see pretending to care about Iranians will be cheering as that happens. 

[Atb210201]

2 minutes ago, Raze said:

They aren’t going to free iran from regime and replace it with a better one, they to turn it into Libya or Syria. All the Israelis you see pretending to care about Iranians will be cheering as that happens. 

If that happens then that's what the majority of my people want and they would say let us have what we want.

[samijiben]

@Raze how is it propaganda that Iran was making nukes? They have nuclear facilities??? Is that also propaganda??

"But No!! The Nuclear facilities are just so that they can have a safe space to talk about peace so that the Evil Zionist Entity doesn't destroy them!"

 

[Twentyfirst]

19 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Not me the majority of people.

Because the regime killed more Iranian civilians in the past few years than any foreign country.

What percentage though?

What's worse than a genocide like Israel to Gaza?

I think every government kills its own citizens, no? How many citizens have died and what were the reasons? 

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