Israel launches attack on Iran

[danniel]

https://apnews.com/live/israel-iran-attack

Attack on Tehran, in a residential area also.

Personally affected by it since my friends, college students there live few kilometers away from the area of conflict

[danniel]

Point to notice - Days ago USA called many of its diplomats and staffers from the Middle East

https://apnews.com/article/state-department-embassy-baghdad-f892ebd6a50850ef5650f31819541bff

[danniel]

Tensions rose over Iran’s nuclear program:
 The Board of Governors at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) censured the nation for the first time in 20 years Thursday after it refused to work with inspectors. Iran immediately announced it would establish a third enrichment site in the country and swap out some centrifuges for more advanced ones.

[Wilhelm44]

Looks like Israel are going to try and remove the Iranian government, it's not just about the nuclear sites. Iran have promised harsh retaliation. If America gets directly involved in this, it could be the start of something much bigger.

[Apparition of Jack]

I wonder if this is China’s chance to step in and act as mediator.

Edited June 13 by Apparition of Jack

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Looks like Israel are going to try and remove the Iranian government, it's not just about the nuclear sites. Iran have promised harsh retaliation. If America gets directly involved in this, it could be the start of something much bigger.

I think Bibi and Trump both want this.

And it’s Friday the 13th smh.

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Looks like Israel are going to try and remove the Iranian government, it's not just about the nuclear sites. Iran have promised harsh retaliation. If America gets directly involved in this, it could be the start of something much bigger.

They aren’t going to accomplish that by just taking out a handful of figures who already have replacements lined up.

It looks like they didn’t even strike their main enrichment site.

Odds are this is to get Netanyahu more support inside Israel and distract the international community from Gaza and the West Bank which they were increasing criticism for, while also hoping to provoke Iran into a full scale response to bring the USA in to try and do a complete regime change operation.

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Raze said:

They aren’t going to accomplish that by just taking out a handful of figures who already have replacements lined up.

It looks like they didn’t even strike their main enrichment site.

Odds are this is to get Netanyahu more support inside Israel and distract the international community from Gaza and the West Bank which they were increasing criticism for, while also hoping to provoke Iran into a full scale response to bring the USA in to try and do a complete regime change operation.

Residential buildings have been hit in Tehran. This is going to escalate for sure.

[Norbert Somogyi]

Looks like Israel put the recently redirected shipment of 20,000 missiles (that was initially meant for Ukraine) to use. 

[Raze]

 

[AION]

It is amazing how a tiny country like Israel knows how to poach such giant countries ala David-versus-Golaith-style. First Iraq, then Syria, domesticating Egypt and Gulf States making them de-facto pro-Israel, and now Iran. It is the only country that is left that is anti-Israel. Only shows how size is not everything: 2 billion Muslims versus 15 million Jews.

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[Apparition of Jack]

10 minutes ago, AION said:

It is amazing how a tiny country like Israel knows how to poach such giant countries ala David-versus-Golaith-style. First Iraq, then Syria, domesticating Egypt and Gulf States making them de-facto pro-Israel, and now Iran. It is the only country that is left that is anti-Israel. Only shows how size is not everything: 2 billion Muslims versus 15 million Jews.

Israel does have the backing of the world’s greatest superpower, mind you. Much easier to punch above your weight when Daddy USA gives you a blank cheque for as many bombs as you want

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Israel does have the backing of the world’s greatest superpower, mind you. Much easier to punch above your weight when Daddy USA gives you a blank cheque for as many bombs as you want

Yea it’s more of a David starting stuff with Goliath as a cousin.

(Touch me and my cousin will do you)

 

[Raze]

36 minutes ago, AION said:

It is amazing how a tiny country like Israel knows how to poach such giant countries ala David-versus-Golaith-style. First Iraq, then Syria, domesticating Egypt and Gulf States making them de-facto pro-Israel, and now Iran. It is the only country that is left that is anti-Israel. Only shows how size is not everything: 2 billion Muslims versus 15 million Jews.

That’s only amazing because you’re leaving out the US. The US intervention toppled Iraq and Syria and sanctions all the other countries when they work against Israel, while giving Israel a blank check so it has a much larger military.

This is why Israel’s occupation of Palestine is so dangerous to itself and when it began some Israeli historians predicted it would lead to their doom. They can no longer present themselves as the David fighting Golaith, instead the Palestinians are the David resisting the Israeli Goliath. 

Edited June 13 by Raze

[AION]

24 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Israel does have the backing of the world’s greatest superpower, mind you. Much easier to punch above your weight when Daddy USA gives you a blank cheque for as many bombs as you want

This is the mindset why Arabs are getting a royal spanking. Brute force is not everything. Power lies in cunningness and that includes Jewish lobbying and intelligence services.
 

Even though there are tons of Muslims in these western countries.  They have no weight in politics. There are some protests but it is empty noise without real impact on European and American policy while Palestinians are being mauled. 
 

This is a matter of Muslim incompetency and the lack of self reflection of those 2 billion Muslims. 

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[AION]

7 minutes ago, Raze said:

That’s only amazing because you’re leaving out the US. The US intervention toppled Iraq and Syria and sanctions all the other countries when they work against Israel, while giving Israel a blank check so it has a much larger military.

This is why Israel’s occupation of Palestine is so dangerous to itself and when it began some Israeli historians predicted it would lead to their doom. They can no longer present themselves as the David fighting Golaith, instead the Palestinians present themselves as the David resisting Israel’s goliath.

Nah. I don’t see a scenario of that happening. Israel will take this opportunity to seal the deal once and forever. Israel won both on the battle field and in politics. And winning in politics is equal or even more important. 

[Raze]

9 minutes ago, AION said:

This is the mindset why Arabs are getting a royal spanking. Brute force is not everything. Power lies in cunningness and that includes Jewish lobbying and intelligence services.
 

Even though there are tons of Muslims in these western countries.  They have no weight in politics. There are some protests but it is empty noise without real impact on European and American policy while Palestinians are being mauled. 
 

This is a matter of Muslim incompetency and the lack of self reflection of those 2 billion Muslims. 

It’s not “2 billion Muslims vs 15 million jews”. This is propaganda on the level of pointing out Israel’s land mass is smaller as though that’s proof they are the victims.

There are twice as many Jews in America as Muslims, and Jews were much more religiously devoted to israel than muslims were against it despite what the media implies. If it was youd be seeing Pakistan firing nukes at Israel, but that would be ridiculous.

Less than 15% of Muslims are Arabs. Israel isn’t fighting Arab countries. When it was, it was in fact a matter of brute force. Israel had a much stronger military and devoted more towards it during the full scale wars.

It’s fighting gurella forces in Palestine and Lebanon, and sort of fighting Iran but not a full scale war. 

And the protests as well as the current fighting are an example of changing tactics. Polls now show Israel’s international support collapsing, and its been dragged into long wars of attrition which lead to massive war crimes and further cause it problems.

 

Edited June 13 by Raze

[Twentyfirst]

9 minutes ago, AION said:

This is the mindset why Arabs are getting a royal spanking. Brute force is not everything. Power lies in cunningness and that includes Jewish lobbying and intelligence services.
 

When Israel was created it had the backing of the British empire which was the superpower of the world and now it has the backing of the US which spends 1 trillion a year on war. Obviously they are stronger in weaponry. Jews break international law like it's a game though

9 minutes ago, AION said:

Even though there are tons of Muslims in these western countries.  They have no weight in politics. There are some protests but it is empty noise without real impact on European and American policy while Palestinians are being mauled. 
 

The muslims in the West that will have full political power in most western countries in 10 years due to birth rates? Yeah they have no weight at all

9 minutes ago, AION said:

This is a matter of Muslim incompetency and the lack of self reflection of those 2 billion Muslims. 

The gulf Arabs are not to be underestimated. Even everyday Arabs are pretty resilient 

I take it you're happy that war is happening? Have you ever even punched somebody or do you just like to watch people die from the comfort of your own home?

[Jodistrict]

 

[Raze]

15 minutes ago, AION said:

Nah. I don’t see a scenario of that happening. Israel will take this opportunity to seal the deal once and forever. Israel won both on the battle field and in politics. And winning in politics is equal or even more important. 

Then you’re looking too much at the surface level.

This isn’t the attitude in israel. Example:

two high ranking Israeli economists wrote a report predicting Israel wouldn’t last to 100 years

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-19/ty-article-magazine/.premium/at-this-rate-israel-wont-make-it-to-its-100th-birthday/0000018f-90cf-d065-a7ef-baff65310000

Polls find 40% of Israelis say they want to leave the country 

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-05-12/ty-article-magazine/.premium/40-of-israelis-say-they-consider-leaving-the-country-this-is-what-keeps-them-here/00000196-c014-d9bf-a1b6-e9b442cf0000

And this is while they had unprecedented international support. Maybe they could heal this if that continued indefinitely, but:

Since then

- even pro Israel governments like the UK, France, and Germany are saying more and more things against them. The UK sanctioned their economic and police ministers, France claimed it will recognize a Palestinian state, and Germany implied it doesn’t believe their war in Gaza is self defense anymore

- a poll came out showing the majority of nearly every western country disapprove of them,

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/06/03/most-people-across-24-surveyed-countries-have-negative-views-of-israel-and-netanyahu/

and it’s much higher among younger people meaning it’ll be even more extreme in the future

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/04/08/how-americans-view-israel-and-the-israel-hamas-war-at-the-start-of-trumps-second-term/

- there are reports of unprecedented amounts of Israelis refusing to enter the army. https://www.972mag.com/israeli-army-refusal-crisis-gaza-war/
, Granted that could change if they enter a new war. 
 

So what exactly will solve their issues? Completing the genocide of Gaza would accelerate the collapse of support internally and externally as people jump ship. But not completing it means they still have to somehow subjugate millions of people while less and less people support them doing it.

Probably why they want to get into a full scale war with Iran to distract from all of this.

Edited June 13 by Raze