Atheist to New Age to Jesus

[Leo Gura]

If you must do Bhakti, do it to the Golden Rat.

[Spiral Wizard]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This is only one method to reach truth.

Sit down and question everything until it kills you.

That will not work because ego will confuse love with positive feelings and survival.

Reaching true Love requires a truth-first approach. You must first question everything to death. Then you can realize Love. After you realize Truth. Without Truth your love will be false.

If you go after truth, you will end up with both Truth and Love. If you go after love you will end up with false love.

Interesting! Appreciate the insight. 

I always assumed that truth leads to love and love leads to truth but they must be taken to their ultimate conclusion/point/full circle.

I see merit in your point because the ego may just be too tenacious to simply dissolve in love. It’s like truth is the spine that’s upholding the heart.
That being said, I see how love (many times) shortcuts the process of spinning our wheels with truth inquiry. For example: when all is said and done, we eventually arrive here and love our experience as it is and through this complete acceptance/love, there’s a deeper truth revealed which cannot be aimed at but only arrived at (when all effort is surrendered). 

So truth is SEEING where the ego hides behind love and love is FEELING when the ego hijacks truth or keeps on restlessly seeking, while subconsciously avoiding the pain of surrender. 

Eventually, truth and love must be in perfect balance or one fully integrated whole - otherwise they are incomplete. 

Edited June 10 by Spiral Wizard

[Leo Gura]

Reaching Truth through love is like catching a falling sword with your teeth.

It's theoretically possible, but I don't recommend it because the marign for error is tiny.

Edited June 10 by Leo Gura

[Grateful Dead]

17 hours ago, Spiral Wizard said:

I’m curious to hear more if you’d like to share!

If you want to know more, you'll have to ask more specifically. 

In short, after a long spiritual quest, I came across The Course in Miracles (Jesus's teachings), and with it, I was able to piece everything together and end my search.

[Leo Gura]

Course In Miracles is good.

But it works without the Jesus.

You do not need Jesus to love people. You can just love them. Jesus did not invent love and has no monopoly on love.

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[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, they don't understand the truth of what belief is.

I don't think you will be able to convince them otherwise.

[Someone here]

Great. Now do the final step : Islam.   But with proper understanding of what this Islam is .

 

[kbone]

14 hours ago, Nemra said:

@kbone, 1- but why would you want to torture yourself by believing if you understand that any assumption could be true or false?

2- Why use belief as a method for truth if you already consider that your assumptions are true?

3- What is there to believe if you know the truth?

4- Why should you accumulate beliefs if you don't have to?

5- Why not question? What is stopping that?

6- You can believe when you act, but why would you waste your time if you are seeking the truth?

7- Can belief work without an assumption?

😁

 

1- I don't. No belief is true/Truth.

2- Belief is not a method. Beliefs and assumptions are only mind-based probabilities about the appearing world and the actions taken. 

3- There are only mind-based beliefs about what the mind assumes is, will, has happened in the appearing/experienced world.

4- You don't have to accumulate beliefs if you don't have to. Simples.

5- No one ever said to not question. Why is the assumption anyone has? 

6- If you're talking about acting in the world as opposed to seeking Truth, it's a fair question. The contexts presented in the garbled questions are either unclear or jumbled a lot, so either the mixing of contexts is unconsciously being done or there's an agenda. 

7. No.

[Nemra]

9 minutes ago, kbone said:

Belief is not a method. Beliefs and assumptions are only mind-based probabilities about the appearing world and the actions taken. 

Belief is a method for truth for religious people.

They are all filled with beliefs, and they think that by continuing to believe, they will be alongside or find truth.

Also, what was garbled?

[kbone]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

Christianity is an idol-worshiping personality cult.

Worshiping a human is evil.

It's more like various degrees of unconscious ignorance based on a misconceived story. Most peeps are not willing to die, physically or psychologically. That's why they call themselves 'Believers' and then spend trillions on houses of worship in which to spread the 'good news'. 

Evil is just live backwards. Without the realization, or at least the sense of Source, it's hard to know which direction to flow with, so peeps go more unconscious and/or get confused, and then do all sorts of nonsensical stuff. Perfectly so.

[Daniel Balan]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Christianity is an idol-worshiping personality cult.

Worshiping a human is evil.

They also worship a pigeon, a bearded old man that lives in the clouds, and a 33 year old bearded man that was crucified, then he resurrected himself, and then he flew like a ghost towards the clouds to meet with the pigeon and with the old bearded man. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Bro these Christians smoke some dope shit if they believe all this 

[kbone]

2 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Belief is a method for truth for religious people.

They are all filled with beliefs, and they think that by continuing to believe, they will be alongside or find truth.

Also, what was garbled?

I would say that their method involves specific beliefs, but whatevs.

Yes, to get along with others in the belief system, they have to adhere to those beliefs. I'd say that they think their belief is true, but they are not interested in finding Truth.

The line of questioning appeared garbled, as they did not really specify acting in the world or seeking Truth. I could not tell of the intent of the 7 questions as a whole.

In the world, action is taken because there's a belief in a certain cause and effect; whereas, in the search for Truth, seeking happens in the world and some beliefs may provide some degree of value in the context of the seeker's mind. But then later, when the beliefs value has been depleted and/or seen through as false, it is dropped, forgotten, or morphed into something different (often unconsciously). 

Does that make sense?

[Nemra]

@Daniel Balan, they are high on belief. 😁

 

[kbone]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you must do Bhakti, do it to the Golden Rat.

A purifying devotion is basically an intention, a willingness to seek. The mind is a weird place to do it and the last frontier to get the memo.

Any devotee of the Golden Rat must make a pilgrimage to the Karni Mata Temple in Rajastahn. It was a fascinating look at human nature when I visited. 

[Nemra]

4 minutes ago, kbone said:

The line of questioning appeared garbled, as they did not really specify acting in the world or seeking Truth. I could not tell of the intent of the 7 questions as a whole.

By acting I meant literal acting where an actor acts.

Well, the intent was to point out that beliefs should be questioned if you want truth about something.

As I said, belief is diametrically opposed to questioning, which is a huge thing, at least for me.

Do you see people treating their beliefs lightly? No, because they think it is true wholeheartedly.

I don't think that there isn't a place for belief; however, it's very deceiving.

[kbone]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Great. Now do the final step : Islam.   But with proper understanding of what this Islam is .

 

The Sufis, as a whole, are an alright bunch. 

Mostly quite cool people to hang out with and wax philo-poetically.

Edited June 10 by kbone

[Daniel Balan]

14 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Daniel Balan, they are high on belief. 😁

 

I would still be a Christian if all they believed in was the pigeon 🐦! The pigeon is a cool bird! I like it! It is more in tune with my personal "religion" which is Gaia, the mother nature! I've seen a great quote that 100% depicts me now: "Nature is my religion and the earth is my church"

[kbone]

Just now, Nemra said:

By acting I meant literal acting where an actor acts.

Well, the intent was to point out that beliefs should be questioned if you want truth about something.

As I said, belief is diametrically opposed to questioning, which is a huge thing, at least for me.

Do you see people treating their beliefs lightly? No, because they think it is true wholeheartedly.

I don't think that there isn't a place for belief; however, it's very deceiving.

This clarifies the intent of your previous messages better, at least for me. I agree with what you've shared here.

All I was doing was trying to find some common ground with and offer a potential interpretation of @Jodistrict 's shared Vivekananda quote with respect to beliefs/faith as part of one's Truth-seeking. The obstacle to Truth is always the mind. 

Barn's burnt down,
now I can see
the moon

~Mizuta Masahide

[Nemra]

@Daniel Balan, basically, you like animism.

 

[Nemra]

20 minutes ago, kbone said:

All I was doing was trying to find some common ground with and offer a potential interpretation of @Jodistrict 's shared Vivekananda quote with respect to beliefs/faith as part of one's Truth-seeking. The obstacle to Truth is always the mind. 

If people understood what belief is, would they seek truth by believing?

The devil is in the detail.

Belief as a tool cannot compete with meditation and especially psychedelics. Although if you don't question beliefs, they might infect the tools that actually change your state.