Why Women Prefer Betas

[Recursoinominado]

They don't prefer it, they settle for it. 
Most people settle for what they can in life.

Only a few try to develop themselves and reach for higher,

[CARDOZZO]

Self-love is the way.

Women will not fix yourself. 

 

[Emerald]

2 hours ago, Recursoinominado said:

They don't prefer it, they settle for it. 
Most people settle for what they can in life.

Only a few try to develop themselves and reach for higher,

That's just like saying that every parent prefers an ideal child but simply just settles for the child they have.

It negates the role of love and connection in the valuation of a particular partner.

And it pornographizes sex and coupling by stripping these human-to-human communions of all depth and humanity until the whole male/female dynamic becomes dull, cheap, and energy draining.... and wholly lacking in true eroticism.

It's a degenerative mindset to have about sex and relationships that makes men untenable relationship partners... and negates the more holistic truth of what's really valuable about male/female relationships.

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, CARDOZZO said:

Self-love is the way.

Women will not fix yourself. 

100%

[Recursoinominado]

13 minutes ago, Emerald said:

That's just like saying that every parent prefers an ideal child but simply just settles for the child they have.

Of course parents have preferences lol.

I guarantee you 99.9% of parents aren't capable of pure selfless love.

They are too biased, invested and attached to be truly selfless about who their child is or will become. 

[Emerald]

9 minutes ago, Recursoinominado said:

Of course parents have preferences lol.

I guarantee you 99.9% of parents aren't capable of pure selfless love.

They are too biased, invested and attached to be truly selfless about who their child is or will become. 

Clearly, you've never been a parent.

And I'd wager from your previous post that you've never had a longterm relationship either.

[gengar]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If anything is true you will see it in the streets and in the bedrooms.

which is exactly why religion pushes back against such debauchery; to offset the hypergamy and even the playing field.

You bitch and whine about the lack of epistemology and contemplation and the corruption of people's mind, but take clubbing and hookup culture completely for granted like society can't function any other way, when it's exactly this type of society that causes people to go;

"hey, why the fuck would i sit in my room and contemplate when i could be out here making money in evil ways and acting like a roided out rat to get sex with all these dolled up girls on the streets?"

The collective FOMO and hyper-competitiveness is what drives men to completely abandon morals, spirituality and epistemology.

There have been civilizations where this wasn't the case. Our current society is simply designed by large capital to drive people in to this divided, competitive madness, where epistemology and spirituality becomes a privilege only for the select few.

[Raze]

1 hour ago, vinc3nc said:

@Emerald Why do you assume that having a real human connection with a girl is the man's ultimate desire? If the average guy had a choice between being in a relationship with a deep connection with 1 average looking girl forever vs having sex every day (or every week) with a different hot girl for the rest of their life without having to be in a relationship, what do you think they would choose?

Most guys would choose the relationship, and even most of the minority who choose the latter would get bored and want a relationship. 

We can see this in how celebrity men usually still settle down with one woman, often even after getting reamed in divorces or cheated on they’ll do it again and again.

Edited June 10 by Raze

[integral]

4 hours ago, Emerald said:

That's just like saying that every parent prefers an ideal child but simply just settles for the child they have.

It negates the role of love and connection in the valuation of a particular partner.

And it ***ographizes sex and coupling by stripping these human-to-human communions of all depth and humanity until the whole male/female dynamic becomes dull, cheap, and energy draining.... and wholly lacking in true eroticism.

It's a degenerative mindset to have about sex and relationships that makes men untenable relationship partners... and negates the more holistic truth of what's really valuable about male/female relationships.

You're always confusing attraction versus long-term relationship concepts, they're completely different things and they're being conflated.

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That's just like saying that every parent prefers an ideal child but simply just settles for the child they have.

Attraction = ideal child

Then they love a real child instead long term...

Woman are sexually attracted to Bad Boy traits and wants good guy traits for long-term relationships and they want them both to be within the same person. So that person both has good guy and bad boy traits.

So it often happens is when you ask women what they're attracted to they will give you a narrative that their conscious of that they agree with and then are blind to the subconscious driving factor that they actually act on every day.

Attraction = bad boy traits.

Long Term = good guy traits.

Every guy is a mix of both. 

Attraction is instinctive and part of lower brain function it is instant.

Long-term is more cognitively intensive, requires more emotional awareness, it takes at least mid to higher brain function and more maturity and development.

Becoming a good quality man is extremely important. But secondary to that is simply aligning yourself when many of the attraction traits women like. Which is a second completely different game people have to play

Edited June 10 by integral

[Raze]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/after-service/201907/5-reasons-women-and-men-both-care-about-big-muscles
 

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In a separate study, women reported that their short-term sexual partners were more muscular than their other partners. The researchers suggest women have fewer requirements for muscular men.

They write, “women were more willing to have short-term relations with muscular men without the requirement that they demonstrate characteristics particularly desired in long-term mates (trustworthiness, emotional closeness, etc.), possibly because these men possessed physical indicators of genetic fitness.”

The researchers then asked a group of male participants about their sexual history. Controlling for age and body fat, muscular men reported greater numbers of sexual partners.

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Researchers have found that a man’s physical formidability is a better predictor than his attractiveness for how many partners he has had.

In the study, researchers recorded short videos of 157 different men. Next, another group of men watched these videos. Researchers asked them a question about each of the men in the videos: “How likely is it that this man would win a physical fight with another man?” They used a scale ranging from “extremely likely” to “extremely unlikely.” 

A group of women also viewed the videos. They responded to a question about each of the men: “How sexually attractive is this man?” They used a scale ranging from “extremely unattractive” to “extremely attractive.” 

Eighteen months later, the men in the videos completed a questionnaire asking about their sexual history over the 18 months. How tough a guy looked to men predicted his reported mating success better than how attractive he looked to women. The researchers concluded, “Men with higher physical dominance, but not sexual attractiveness, reported higher quantitative mating success.”

 

[Emerald]

37 minutes ago, integral said:

You're always confusing attraction versus long-term relationship concepts, they're completely different things and they're being conflated.

To me and for many women, these are one and the same thing.

[Emerald]

2 hours ago, vinc3nc said:

@Emerald Why do you assume that having a real human connection with a girl is the man's ultimate desire? If the average guy had a choice between being in a relationship with a deep connection with 1 average looking girl forever vs having sex every day (or every week) with a different hot girl for the rest of their life without having to be in a relationship, what do you think they would choose?

It depends on the age, maturity, experience level, and level of development of the man.

If the man is young (under 25)... or is older than 25 but is immature, he will probably gladly choose the life where he can fuck a different woman every day.

And this describes what many men value... especially ones that feel a sense of scarcity relative to women being interested in them. And they will want to continuously re-up with constantly renewing female validation and a sense of conquest.

And that is the male fantasy.

But a lot of guys who actually make this happen for themselves end up feeling really empty, depressed, and miserable having lots of random sex because it doesn't meet the deeper need for intimacy and it will put them in a lot of transactional dynamics of mutual usery.

Then, if he keeps up with that past the age of 40, he just becomes "that creepy lonely old guy" trolling around the clubs.

But if a man is mature and developed as a person, he will be more likely to choose the relationship with the deep connection. Usually, there might be a pattern of hooking up or dating around until the mid-20s. And then, the man will usually try to seek out a longterm partner.

The issue that I'm responding to here is that men are learning to rules of a game that will eventually leave them socially isolated and disconnected... as they are preparing for a future where they'll be fucking a lot of women (which let's be real, the majority of these guys won't. Most of them are struggling just to get one woman interested in them because of the paradigms they're operating through.).

But it anti-prepares them for longterm relationships to the point where they become too disconnected and emotionally stunted to even have one. And their fate will be some desperate lonely older guy who's a batchelor for life, which most men don't actually want.

Edited June 11 by Emerald

[integral]

38 minutes ago, Emerald said:

To me and for many women, these are one and the same thing.

If you're not physically or sexually attracted to a man will you consider him suited for a long-term relationship?

[Emerald]

9 minutes ago, integral said:

If you're not physically or sexually attracted to a man will you consider him suited for a long-term relationship?

Of course, I must be physically and sexually attracted to a man to consider him for a long-term relationship.

That's why I said, attraction and long-term relationship desire for me (and many women) are one and the same.

Like, I'd never be interested in having a longterm relationship with a man I'm not attracted to.

But if I'm attracted to a man, the driver is about getting closer to him and more intimate with him... and desiring him for a longterm relationship.

I can't even fathom what it is to just see some guy and be like, "I find him attractive and want to screw that guy and then have nothing to do with him."

I'm sure some women might operate that way where she's geared towards short term hook-ups. But I don't think most women do.

[Deziree]

Women are attracted more to alpha, isn't it? It's only mature women who are attracted to beta, generally mature in age. Some could be doing it to avoid getting dumped by an alpha, no? 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

But it anti-prepares them for longterm relationships to the point where they become too disconnected and emotionally stunted to even have one. And their fate will be some desperate lonely older guy who's a batchelor for life, which most men don't actually want.

That can happen to any man, or woman, for that matter, nobody is fully imune to loneliness in the later years of their life. And even if you were married for God knows how many years trying to be mister perfect, there will always be women out there who will hate your guts, as well as the significant possibility that your woman will end up disliking you and not appreciate your efforts at all

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, gengar said:

The collective FOMO and hyper-competitiveness is what drives men to completely abandon morals, spirituality and epistemology.

There have been civilizations where this wasn't the case. Our current society is simply designed by large capital to drive people in to this divided, competitive madness, where epistemology and spirituality becomes a privilege only for the select few.

Nailed it. You have isolated the systematic root of the issue here.

It also needs to be acknowledged just how much of an honour and privilege it is to be in a position to devote time to epistemology & spirituality.

+1 for gratitude

ALSO WTF AVATAR CHANGE, WHY YOU GOTTA MESS WITH MY PERCEPTION LIKE THAT?

[Emerald]

Just now, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

That can happen to any man, or woman, for that matter, nobody is fully imune to loneliness in the later years of their life. And even if you were married for God knows how many years trying to be mister perfect, there will always be women out there who will hate your guts, as well as the significant possibility that your woman will end up disliking you and not appreciate your efforts at all

That's talking past the point that I'm actually making.

The point that I'm making is that men are being indoctrinated into paradigms about women that are setting them up for guaranteed disconnection and loneliness in the future, as men with these paradigms won't be capable of being in an intimate relationship with a woman.

And they're so locked into these anti-intimacy perspectives that they use for protection, that the reality of human-to-human can't seep in enough to allow for real connection and intimacy to come through.

[Recursoinominado]

5 hours ago, Emerald said:

Clearly, you've never been a parent.

And I'd wager from your previous post that you've never had a longterm relationship either.

I had many long-term relationships lol

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

5 minutes ago, Emerald said:

That's talking past the point that I'm actually making.

The point that I'm making is that men are being indoctrinated into paradigms about women that are setting them up for guaranteed disconnection and loneliness in the future, as men with these paradigms won't be capable of being in an intimate relationship with a woman.

And they're so locked into these anti-intimacy perspectives that they use for protection, that the reality of human-to-human can't seep in enough to allow for real connection and intimacy to come through.

Ok, but I don't care about that point. My point is that, in this day and age and as a man, everything can go wrong in your life regardless of how hard you try or invest into relationships