Trying to Understand the Blackpill

[Husseinisdoingfine]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I do want to. But it's dangerous if not done very carefully.

Please release this. I don't think the how to get laid series was sufficient, there needs to be a deconstruction of blackpill ideology and a message of hope for those lost in it.

Edited June 7 by Husseinisdoingfine

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Please release this. I don't think that the how to get laid was sufficient, there needs to be a deconstruction of blackpill ideology and a message of hope for those lost in it.

Yes, I know.

[aurum]

1 hour ago, gengar said:

On a side note, how is it even possible that above average guys still have relatively low success with women? if hypergamy is true all the women should be catered to the top but it seems like even that isn't true anymore. why do good looking women not even go for good looking guys anymore? is there a market failure, are good looking women also not getting laid? Guys that should be on the top girlswise also have problems.

Good looks will only help so much if you're chronically online, busy with work and don't approach.

[Miguel1]

11 hours ago, gengar said:

On a side note, how is it even possible that above average guys still have relatively low success with women? if hypergamy is true all the women should be catered to the top but it seems like even that isn't true anymore. why do good looking women not even go for good looking guys anymore?

Getting girls require more than just looks, unless you are really on the top 1% of looks.

I am above average in looks and girls come to me left and right, and I credit that a lot to my personality and game. Looks definitely help me a lot tho, unlike what the dating coaches want you to believe.

[UpperMaster]

Another thing about blackpill.

I have some real life experience now even happen to me against the blackpill. 

but still the ideology creeps in at times.

 

I can’t say if this is because the ideology is so toxic and strong, or because maybe I have some trauma like very slight social outcasting as a kid.

 

Best remedy against till now is deleting social media apps.

[Leo Gura]

I have never seen even one blackpill social media content in my feed, ever.

You guys watch some weird stuff.

[Leo Gura]

@Miguel1 You are underestimating how much work your looks are doing in your results.

[Miguel1]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Miguel1 You are underestimating how much work your looks are doing in your results.

I keep contemplating that, and I am more and more getting to a place where I truly face the dark reality (you are right).

For example, let's say when I first started pick up, I probably got so many of those "easy" positive experiences that pushed me to keep going, helping me to get into flow state and spiraling upwards, which led to better results, better inner game etc.

Whenever I had hard nights, I always got some "easy" approaches, that got me out of the negative loop. Gave me the easy confidence boost & extra training.

This alone probably is priceless, when it comes to this journey. That would make sense.

As I mature more, I come to accept more and more how much my looks helped me in this. My tendency has always been to be in denial of this fact, because I don't want to face the fact that reality is so harsh. All these beautiful visions of helping humanity come together and to live in a loving harmony...

At this point, I know it deep down, I know that reality ain't nearly so generous. Accepting it is hard, because then ALL my visions will have to be re-shaped. But that's the price of this work.

Edited June 8 by Miguel1

[UpperMaster]

@Leo Gura I think it’s because I watch the same things young people my age watch, and then in automatically recommends blackpill videos, which are watched by my generation.

blackpill videos include mainly looksmaxxing videos. Where you are shown thirst traps or tutorials by looksmaxxers or incredibly good looking people. Many times they are compared  with uglier people in the video. They insinuate and imply the extreme importance of looks making you feel like shit in the process.

[aurum]

15 minutes ago, UpperMaster said:

blackpill videos include mainly looksmaxxing videos

My guess is that's only for "blackpill" guys who still have some hope left related to dating.

If you have no hope, why looksmax at all?

[Leo Gura]

Looksmaxing is more Red Pill.

Blackpill don't take action to date. They are hopeless. They rationalize why all action is useless. "Looksmax all you like but your bone structure won't change so you'll never get laid."

Edited June 8 by Leo Gura

[Raze]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I have never seen even one blackpill social media content in my feed, ever.

You guys watch some weird stuff.

It is massively censored so it is mostly for the minority who fall down the rabbit hole.

There isn’t even a major active blackpill YouTube channel anymore, the last one quit months ago because of harassment. 

[gengar]

On 6/8/2025 at 0:17 AM, Leo Gura said:

@gengar Sorry to hear of your situation, man. That's very tough. 

You would benefit greatly from seeing a quality therapist to work out all that trauma and anger.

If you have a way to afford it, please do it.

Thank you for your words of support, it's greatly appreciated.

I've been putting it off - for financial reasons partly, but mostly because they already gave my cousin euthanasia for psychological reasons, (medically assisted dying for depression). She was the same age as me. Imagine being depressed for years and telling psych doctors that you want to die and eventually they actually help you do it by sticking a needle in your arm.

This is why I have so much resistance and hate the west also, and a different part of me wants to tell these doctors that I want to die as well and have em give me the shot, which is why i'm afraid to go there.

But it's no excuse indeed. I'm also afraid to tell them my dark side. I'll have to do it i guess.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, gengar said:

which is why i'm afraid to go there

You can locate a therapist, coach, or spiritual counselor who doesn't have such a power.

[Schizophonia]

When I was little, I was very "normal," and then I witnessed violent events like my drunken father (probably) kicking my mother out of the house for being distant, and even sleeping with the gardener or something like that lol. I remember crying blood.
There were also other things like regularly seeing my mother cry because of her boyfriend, not having any friends at school, being last on the list of girls, etc.

I can't really say what triggered it exactly; it was probably the cocktail effect, but I basically became ultra-serious, neurotically, with borderline neo-Nazi views. I was also very interested in Black Pills and had eating disorders, even using steroids a few years ago, thinking it would help me get a girlfriend. That was before girls started showing interest in me here and there, by breaking out of my isolation.

Today, everything is going well, even though my life still seems to revolve around the idea that I'll "never be good enough," that I "give without receiving," that I "can only count on myself and possibly my family," etc; a kind of negative hamster wheel still more or less present

Blackpill is closely linked to the family unit.

Edited June 11 by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

On 08/06/2025 at 10:27 PM, Leo Gura said:

I have never seen even one blackpill social media content in my feed, ever.

You guys watch some weird stuff.

As i said in another topic, your stiff stance isn't just a true identification with the phallus, but also a defense mechanism because of anal sadistic tendencies.
And since you attract what you are in denial, you attract non-phallic people, wallowing in regression, who therefore watch black pill content.
Not just black pill content, full of behavior you would consider infantile.

Edited June 11 by Schizophonia

[gengar]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You can locate a therapist, coach, or spiritual counselor who doesn't have such a power.

yeah. I just had so much inner resistance to the entire field for so long.

[gengar]

32 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Today, everything is going well, even though my life still seems to revolve around the idea that I'll "never be good enough," that I "give without receiving," that I "can only count on myself and possibly my family," etc; a kind of negative hamster wheel still more or less present

do you think it's ever possible to break out of such negative views permanently in this life?

Are there even people on this world without such pathologies?

[Schizophonia]

2 hours ago, gengar said:

do you think it's ever possible to break out of such negative views permanently in this life?

Yes, I would say through the mirror effect. By recognizing that what I see on the outside is actually a projection of what's inside; this shatters the character.
The goal of being a victim, beneath the apparent pain of such a character, is to be a hero; the hero and the victim are the same person.
If I recognize that I'm a victimizer or whatever negative thing I usually project onto others, then the victim position is no longer possible.

But it hurts because we've learned to be good people, which means tacitly embodying something that people respect and avoid bothering because of its legend (victim/hero).
We're afraid of being selfish.

2 hours ago, gengar said:

Are there even people on this world without such pathologies?

Indeed, everyone engages in negative mental discourse.
If only by definition, the positive is acceptable and accepted without resistance; it therefore does not need to be regularly symbolized or symbolized throughout (except perhaps in narcissistic personality disorder?).
The maintenance of identity, of the ego, is essentially based on the symbolization of the negative polarity of (limiting) beliefs about ourselves.

[Puer Aeternus]

No better way to stop being black pilled than living your existence presently and connected to God.

Even after I shed my black pill beliefs, I was still in quiet desperation. The game of self-improvement and chatting up women seemed like such a chore. What? All this stuff I don't necessarily even want to do, just to get a slice of their attention.

It can be an intermediary stage, because you still care. You're still trying. But this.. Having contentment and not caring about what happens. Is so much sweeter.

Granted getting here ain't no joke, it's very individual. And the technology to work through this things aren't particularly known or immediately obvious. I'm a very specific person so not sure how many people would even be able to access something similar. Hence why the self-improvement strategy rules, it's just more accessible.