Are men or women the prize?

[aurum]

5 hours ago, AION said:

This guy is slam dunking truth on feminism so hard lmao

 

Orion is redpill self-deception.

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, AION said:

This guy is slam dunking truth on feminism so hard lmao

 

This dude has axe-to-grind-against-women energy.

Don't listen to men who have an axe-to-grind against women. It's going to distort your understanding of women.

Edited June 16 by Leo Gura

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

5 hours ago, AION said:

This guy is slam dunking truth on feminism so hard lmao

 

You mean spewing a lot of shit, with no evidence to back any of his claims whatsoever. LOL 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 hours ago, AION said:

This guy is slam dunking truth on feminism so hard lmao

 

Brah got rated a 3 on SOMEONES SUBJECTIVE VALUE SCALE and went crying to the internet. His voice is wavering and shit as he retells the story. He is very hurt 

[Keryo Koffa]

This video reminded me of Prof. Dave, then Shapiro, then JP.
Overintellectualized context-overexplaining rationalist antagonizing.
Aesthetic-ego-narrative identity coherence attachment...
How do you like my attempt at jargonish brevity?

Edited June 16 by Keryo Koffa

[freddyteisen]

Don’t attach to any girl. Consistently approach daily. Preferably Live in a big city, where you can…

Do fun stuff: go to parks to train, go to the beach to swim, shop for groceries, roam around the city, shops — all these places are opportunities for meeting beautiful women.

Every opportunity you get: no hesitation, just approach. No excuses. Stay in the convo and spike emotions. Get the number/IG of multiple girls.

Lot of them will flake - don’t bother, just simple texts focused on meeting her for a date.

Atleast a few girls out of the 100s will eventually be interested. If they’re interested, keep being detached, but try to set up the date.

[Leo Gura]

It is of course true that women are delusional about the material/survival aspects of dating and mating.

But it is also true that that guy presents a distorted view of women.

Edited June 16 by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is of course true that women are delusional about the material/survival aspects of dating and mating.

Possible root cause is that prior to feminism, women didn't have to pay as much attention to these aspects. The men taking the larger brunt of the responsibility in these arenas.

You could also raise - who created the system of men taking on the umbrella of survival and material needs? Men. But then again, did they create it, or was the burden always there since they shouldered natural power? Intertwined is the past history of women's subdugation, which points to men creating that system and hating the system at the same time. 

It's hard to blame anyone 

 

[AION]

1 hour ago, aurum said:

Orion is redpill self-deception.

He isn’t 

 

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is of course true that women are delusional about the material/survival aspects of dating and mating.

But it is also true that that guy presents a distorted view of women.

He is very level headed. He just taps into male anger to motivate them to buy his program, go on his forum and buy his book which is highly recommend. And I rarely highly recommend anything. His book has zero hatred against women.  

All of you think you are so smart but you are all just doing ad hominem without constructive criticism + judging a book on its cover.

His videos are just a cover to tap into male anger(that is his viewer base). It is a rhetorical stance of him. 

Edited June 16 by AION

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, AION said:

All of you think you are so smart but you are all just doing ad hominem without constructive criticism + judging a book on its cover.

What I said was not ad hominem, it was a substantive point. If you listen to that guy too much your view of women will get distorted and that will hurt your ability to have relationships with women. It's not about him, it's about you getting harmed here. I don't care about him, I care about your mind getting corrupted.

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His videos are just a cover to tap into male anger(that is his viewer base). It is a rhetorical stance of him. 

Anyone who leverages anger or resentment to sell more books or courses is a corrupt and sick being who will also corrupt you.

Edited June 16 by Leo Gura

[aurum]

9 minutes ago, AION said:

He isn’t 

Yes, he is.

My dude, many of us have already been through this. We know what is right about redpill and where it goes wrong. We've figured it out.

You are not going to get a more integrated perspective by listening to redpillers. They will just encourage you to double down on self-deception.

Listen to redpillers if you want, but you need to be checking all their biases.

[Thought Art]

All in time

[Lyubov]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This dude has axe-to-grind-against-women energy.

Don't listen to men who have an axe-to-grind against women. It's going to distort your understanding of women.

This is the issue with red pill guys. They do make good points but they lack integrity and sacrifice it to grow their shit. He milks his social media platform with overpriced consultations. Anyone with a reasonable understanding of life will know no information based session in anything is worth much more than $2-300 an hour, maybe $400. But he’s charging like $1000. On top of that he went on the fresh and fit podcast to build his platform which is pretty damn negative. He makes decent observations about dating and I do agree with him. Modern dating has tilted in a way where women can be far more dishonest and coy than men and take advantage of men more often than women. Do men exploit women? Sure, but it’s the select few with volume and by no means the majority, whereas I’ve found women can definitely manipulate men more. I’m open to this being my bias. I’ve just seen and heard far to much to know this is true, evidence being the very existence of red pill. Red pill exists in this modern world due to the imbalance women now indulge in, but I don’t think it’s an excuse to go bitter and grind axes. The way out isn’t grinding axes and I think this stuff makes life so ugly. Even I will choose to go down these ugly rabbit holes due to the familiarity and perceived sense of injustice the inner child / ego so wishes to hold onto. Basically, if you wanna make yourself angry at life fixate on dating unfairnesses. If you wanna be happy, just accept shit is fucked and harder for men and make peace with that and smile and move forward trying your best. Simple as that. 

[Lyubov]

1 hour ago, AION said:

He isn’t 

 

He is very level headed. He just taps into male anger to motivate them to buy his program, go on his forum and buy his book which is highly recommend. And I rarely highly recommend anything. His book has zero hatred against women.  

All of you think you are so smart but you are all just doing ad hominem without constructive criticism + judging a book on its cover.

His videos are just a cover to tap into male anger(that is his viewer base). It is a rhetorical stance of him. 

Nah he def has sacrificed the spirit of his work by stooping low to red pill level energy. He went on fresh and fit multiple times. And in his mind he can warp it to believe he is helping men, getting paid big bucks and making good money off lonely guys. All of these guys are a bunch of bastards. They scam incels as much as women do. Red pill vultures have done plenty to scramble for red pill incel bucks, sometimes more than most gold diggers. If you are building a community associating yourself with this stuff, you lack integrity. 

Edited June 16 by Lyubov

[Lyubov]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Anyone who leverages anger or resentment to sell more books or courses is a corrupt and sick being who will also corrupt you.

Exactly. This is the truth. You cannot build your life on truth if you corrupt it with these energies. It’s like rationalizing drinking one can of Coca Cola a day. It doesn’t sem like much but that one little habit actually affects health more than you realize when reaching super human levels of health, same applies to connection to spirit. These little things are what constantly pull you away from the flow / the Tao. It’s choosing truth and standing by it. He maybe has some insight to share and maybe he will save you getting scammed once or twice if you’re new to dating tricks in Miami but it will come at the cost of your mind being corrupted with negative inherited beliefs that aren’t even yours. 

[Lyubov]

I write this as someone who is still working very hard on deconstructing many of my pick up artist beliefs from being associated with the Manosphere since 2016. It’s not worth it. It may seem alluring. It may seem like you are righting some wrong or injustice by adopting these perspectives but it doesn’t work. You will be building your entire relationship belief system on unfairnesses and you will never be happy or find a way to have a fulfilling relationship. It will cloud your ability to even choose someone because you will be trying to control things out of your control and seeing what you want to see until you realize there’s more to it. You will not meet some perfect girl who is a saint and didn’t benefit from all the unfairnesses you hate and you will never be satisfied. You have never seen any of these guys in anything long term for a reason. They aren’t players and most of them suck at socializing and dating, they are attracting equally warped women who further feed their self fulfilling prophecy and in the end you will sabotage your relationship like I have so many times from trying to reach some fairness in this domain of life. I have fucked my life up in so many ways adopting these beliefs, don’t take them on. It may have lead to a lot of sex but also a lot of problems I have created for myself.

Edited June 16 by Lyubov

[Aaron p]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It is of course true that women are delusional about the material/survival aspects of dating and mating.

But it is also true that that guy presents a distorted view of women.

@Leo Gura just wondering...so if you agree with the primary point (that women are delusional about the material aspects of dating)...could you outline the most damaging ways in which third guy presents a distorted view of women

Edited June 17 by Aaron p

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

most damaging ways in which third guy presents a distorted view of women

His paradigm is too transactional and adverserial.

Basically all the problems of the Red Pill worldview.

Dating women is not this adversarial calculated struggle. You just go out, socialize, have fun, and stop doing all this calcuating and evo-psych.

[Aaron p]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

His paradigm is too transactional and adverserial.

Basically all the problems of the Red Pill worldview.

Dating women is not this adversarial calculated struggle. You just go out, socialize, have fun, and stop doing all this calcuating and evo-psych.

Hmm yeah I suppose you could end up accidentally in an ideological rut of subtle sexism with a divisive mentality on genders.

Although i think skilled thinkers are probably slightly safer from this risk as they can enter the mode of mental analysis and cold, survivalistic observations then leave that mode to enter the mode of natural flow and social spontaneity. I mean, while some of his points are perhaps disproportionately magnified or articulated in a way that implies subtle sexist ideas, a lot of it is true like...

I get the feeling that the crux of the problem of this guys style is that he just paints with too broad a brush? Like with massive sweeping statements such as "feminism is hypocritical," sort of completely neglecting all of the good that feminism has done. If he was a little bit more surgical and maybe a bit more sensitive with his delivery I think a lot of the legitimate points he makes would be receivable.

[Leo Gura]

All this overthinking about women is screwing up men's ability to get laid.

Stop with gender ideology and theory about feminism. Just go socialize and have fun and flirt. Many girls will be receptive and then you just work on improving your closing skills.

Sitting there thinking about the dating marketplace is doing zero good for you.

Edited June 17 by Leo Gura