Socialist may defeat Andrew Cuomo in New York City Mayoral Democratic Primary

[Raze]

The issue is being mayor of New York was seen as a dead end career path, the last few amounted to nothing. You have minimal influence but are blamed for everything that goes wrong.

[Schizophonia]

It's not astonishing; big cities attract people from the left/far left.

 

Edited Wednesday at 10:12 PM by Schizophonia

[Jodistrict]

Being a debbie downer is a dead end.   

[LordFall]

I think this is really good, curious to see the change Mamdani succeeds in pushing through 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Seems like he's not an unrealistic type of guy after all - he'll probably just try to increase taxes for the rich by a few percentages and attempt to use the money to finance schools and pro social stuff. Seems like he's also not overly ideological either. I don't think he's really as much about that commie stuff as people are hyping him up to be about, he just wants to implement some basic social programs. That's fine. As long as he keeps being grounded in reality. Rich people will hardly give away their money voluntarilly so some tax increase for the richest of them probably is in order

Edited yesterday at 09:20 AM by NewKidOnTheBlock

[Husseinisdoingfine]

[Talinn]

17 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

lol

[Elliott]

7 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Seems like he's not an unrealistic type of guy after all - he'll probably just try to increase taxes for the rich by a few percentages and attempt to use the money to finance schools and pro social stuff. Seems like he's also not overly ideological either. I don't think he's really as much about that commie stuff as people are hyping him up to be about, he just wants to implement some basic social programs. That's fine. As long as he keeps being grounded in reality. Rich people will hardly give away their money voluntarilly so some tax increase for the richest of them probably is in order

He supports government seizing the means of production.

 

Obviously he'll do nothing like that, the only real problem is his base disowning him when he can't keep any of his promises, they'll lynch him. I think he'll do really good things though.

[Twentyfirst]

23 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

I am not a Muslim either, but when done right Islam knows how to produce righteous warriors.

Islam doesn't align with socialism. I don't think it outright rejects it either 

[Jodistrict]

11 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Islam doesn't align with socialism. I don't think it outright rejects it either 

Shahid Bolsen disagrees.    He says that Islam has a form of socialism that aligns with  fitra (human nature).   

[Elliott]

44 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Shahid Bolsen disagrees.    He says that Islam has a form of socialism that aligns with  fitra (human nature).   

Religion and classlessness aligning? Baloney, religion is a class system.

"Religion is the opium of the people. It is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of our soulless conditions.”-marx

Edited yesterday at 07:22 PM by Elliott

[Jodistrict]

17 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Religion and classlessness, aligning? Baloney.

"Religion is the opium of the people. It is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of our soulless conditions.”-marx

That is classical Marxism which comes out of Europe.   Socialism is a more broad concept.    Also, that quote is frequently taken out of context, in the sense the Marx actually didn't consider religion that relevant, either for or against.  

Edited yesterday at 07:24 PM by Jodistrict

[Elliott]

5 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

That is classical Marxism which comes out of Europe.   Socialism is a more broad concept.    Also, that quote is frequently taken out of context, in the sense the Marx actually didn't consider religion that relevant, either for or against.  

Can you point me to this broad concept?

Classes are fundamental to religion.

Edited yesterday at 07:29 PM by Elliott

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

2 hours ago, Elliott said:

He supports government seizing the means of production. Obviously he'll do nothing like that

Maybe it should happen to America so yall learn the lessons Europe had to learn LOL

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Maybe it should happen to America so yall learn the lessons Europe had to learn LOL

I guess that's what's behind Trump then, evangelical-socialism. Socialism being such a broad concept including classes of people. Imam Trump.

Edited yesterday at 08:44 PM by Elliott

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

49 minutes ago, Elliott said:

I guess that's what's behind Trump then, evangelical-socialism. Socialism being such a broad concept including classes of people. Imam Trump.

I can see him putting up a front and seemingly seeking to achieve some sort of christian socialist ethnostate, however I don't really think him, any of his people really give a shit about any of that, I think he likes capitalism and especially the way it is now, it benefits him and his friends. His real goal is to just hold power, the rest are just some weird narcisistic fantasies. Just like that Nick Fuentes guy, who is hilariously weird if you look some stuff about him, they're all just a bunch of freaks lol

[Twentyfirst]

3 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

Shahid Bolsen disagrees.    He says that Islam has a form of socialism that aligns with  fitra (human nature).   

No he doesn't. He says Islam goes beyond the rigid classification of capitalism, socialism, and communism

Why don't you go to Islamic countries? You will never hear the word socialism uttered 

[Elliott]

2 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

I can see him putting up a front and seemingly seeking to achieve some sort of christian socialist ethnostate, however I don't really think him, any of his people really give a shit about any of that, I think he likes capitalism and especially the way it is now, it benefits him and his friends. His real goal is to just hold power, the rest are just some weird narcisistic fantasies. Just like that Nick Fuentes guy, who is hilariously weird if you look some stuff about him, they're all just a bunch of freaks lol

You think Trump would prefer a free-market over one ruled by Imam Trump? No way. He would love to be over everything and decide who gets what, white wealthier America, then lesser paid worker brown countries. Evangelical-socialism, of the broad concept socialism.

Edited 22 hours ago by Elliott

[zazen]

@Twentyfirst @Jodistrict speaking of Bolsen and Muslims liberating 

I don’t think Comrade Zohran will achieve much unless structural changes happen ie the dynamic being flipped from capital controlling the state to the state controlling (disciplining) capital.

Until then all these left vs right solutions just paper over issues that need to be resolved at a deeper level. Can’t have social welfare programmes if the programmers (controllers) of money aren’t incentivised. A lot of it comes down to financial sovereignty and who controls and directs credit flows.

Obama 2.0 unless structural changes happen.  Short term relief will be there but perverse incentives undo all those gains over time. Why would developers build more homes if they can’t raise rents to keep in line with inflation - that will cut into profit margins?

Capital is mobile and will just go elsewhere to seek better returns which are hard enough to get these days. That means even less housing being built, supply side squeeze, which means price goes up.

Liberals celebrated when Mayor of London Sadiq Khan got in and it’s only gotten worse under him too - due to larger dynamics at hand. He’s blamed instead - just as Zohran could be blamed for not meeting expectations. But a lot is out of their hands as they are at the mercy of capital to fund their aspirations and “solutions”.

Edited 22 hours ago by zazen

[Elliott]

Mamdani can accomplish a few things, all relying on increasing the corporate tax rate, he obviously can't increase it too much though.

Increasing taxes obviously increases revenue, but it will also drive some corporations out of town. Which can actually be a good thing, relieving pressure on housing, jobs leaving.

Mamdani can subsidize housing, new and remodeled, whether through tax abatements or low interest loans.

He can do his grocery stores, they should operate at cost given tax free real estate.

Other community programs

And police reform

 

The problem is, this takes time and a huge team that would require time to get functioning well.... socialists will hang him by then. He didn't get 50% of the vote his first election full of promises and energy.

Just don't get your hopes up, and quit making him like your MLK or something. If he fails he'll take DSA down with him.

Edited 21 hours ago by Elliott