Martin Ball says he's not solipsistic

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The proof is that it's only in your mind right now.

I just dont get it, you telling me that if you die before me, that i somehow wont exist anymore either ? 

Edited Wednesday at 09:37 AM by Wilhelm44

[Salvijus]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yup.

[Wilhelm44]

I understand there's only one true Conscious Being, but if one imaginary character dies, why does that wipe out the whole universe ? @Leo Gura

Edited Wednesday at 09:43 AM by Wilhelm44

[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I understand there's only one true Conscious Being, but if one imaginary character dies, why does that wipe out the whole universe ? 

No awake being ever thinks that way except Leo. And his argument for it is, that he had an awakening that can't be questioned. Absolute truth revelation. That's the end of the explanation. 

Edited Wednesday at 09:44 AM by Salvijus

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

No awake being ever thinks that way except Leo. And his argument for it is, that he had an awakening that can't be questioned. Absolute truth revelation. That's the end of the explanation. 

Yeah, i really would like a better explanation on this one. Its like saying, Peter Ralston is awake, so when he dies, we all vanish. I really dont get it.

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I just dont get it, you telling me that if you die before me, that i somehow wont exist anymore either ? 

No.

I'm tell you that you're the only thing that exists.

The genius of solipsism is that there only needs to be one being. You.

Edited Wednesday at 09:49 AM by Leo Gura

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

No.

I'm tell you that you're the only thing that exists.

But then why do you imply that the universe didnt exist before i was born, and it wont exist after i die ? Is that just from my point of view ?

[Nemra]

2 hours ago, zurew said:

So if you can be wrong about the insights that you gather using awakening - then why is it that you think that solipsism is something that you cant be wrong about?

First of all, I said that individuated consciousness is imaginary.

I know it's not wrong, because it is absolutely direct.

For example, when you hear a sound, it is clear that you have heard it.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Is that just from my point of view ?

Consider that reality is just your point of view.

[gengar]

48 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

1) He's a genetic freak. He's not merely doing it through contemplation. He's doing it through a higher state of consciousness. Contemplation is easy if you're high on DMT all the time.

1. Are you actually claiming the "muhh natural DMT release from the pineal gland" for Ralston? that he is literally high on DMT all the time?

2. It's not genetic freakery, since I have realised it from one spiritual experience (chemically induced), and many sober contemplations after. Like you said in the "original proofs of God" video , it's nothing special, but just sitting down and going through the logic of existence. I'm an egoic guy and unwise and immature most of the time. I'm not like ralston at all. yet I've still realised it.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, gengar said:

1. Are you actually claiming the "muhh natural DMT release from the pineal gland" for Ralston? that he is literally high on DMT all the time?

The chemical is not important. That's just an example.

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2. It's not genetic freakery, since I have realised it from one spiritual experience (chemically induced), and many sober contemplations after. Like you said in the "original proofs of God" video , it's nothing special, but just sitting down and going through the logic of existence. I'm an egoic guy and unwise and immature most of the time. I'm not like ralston at all. yet I've still realised it.

Dude, there is way more to this work than realizing any one thing.

Just because you can take a chemical and realize something doesn't mean you are anywhere at Ralston's level.

This is like saying there's nothing special about Shaquille O'Neil because one time you got on a ladder and dunked a basketball.

Edited Wednesday at 09:58 AM by Leo Gura

[BlueOak]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The proof is that it's only in your mind right now.

Your mind IS the universe. If your mind dies, that's the universe.

I'm sure you know mind is a concept you've invented Leo. The death of mind is something you've invented to frame this concept of mind. Proof is also, the concept of a universe is also.

This is why I say this philosophy, while extremely beneficial in things like assisting to dissolve egoic conflicts, is ultimately a framework in of itself. 

How will something that never existed in the first place go anywhere, end or start? How will anything die that didn't exist to start with.

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

I'm sure you know mind is a concept you've invented Leo.

I'm not talking about a concept.

I'm talking about your entire field of experience. Your entire life. That is what I mean by Mind.

Edited Wednesday at 10:14 AM by Leo Gura

[BlueOak]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I'm not talking about a concept.

I'm talking about your entire field of experience. That is what I mean by Mind.

Okay.

So when death occurs, it is your contention that you won't be observing it? I can't dispprove you obviously, only point to the multitude of times i've been out of body, and communicated this to the self.

*Or better yet, you won't become the entire universe itself. Which is what happened last time.

Edited Wednesday at 10:16 AM by BlueOak

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Or better yet, you won't become the entire universe itself. Which is what happened last time.

You can dream whatever dream.

But what happens when all your dreams stop?

[BlueOak]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You can dream whatever dream.

But what happens when all your dreams stop?

They never started Leo. You are arguing a temporal reality that doesn't exist.

Its only observable because you create it. You'll just create the next thing. Maybe as a slug, maybe as a being that can shift between realities at will, or maybe as Leo Gura mk2, only this time as a vegan

Edited Wednesday at 10:22 AM by BlueOak

[Wilhelm44]

40 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Consider that reality is just your point of view.

Reality is just my point of view, from my point of view. But isn't that true for you also ? 

Edited Wednesday at 10:32 AM by Wilhelm44

[Harikrishnan]

Just now, Wilhelm44 said:

Reality is just my point of view, from my point of view. But isn't that true for yourself also ? 

In that point of view is leo and you believe he has mind of his own and ask him question like this. It become obvious as you do the work. 

[zurew]

34 minutes ago, Nemra said:

I know it's not wrong, because it is absolutely direct.

No , its not direct.

Direct is appearance - what you did there is you made a judgement about that appearance and filled it up with content (filled it up with a story about its nature and about what properties it has or doesnt have [non-direct])

Direct doesnt tell you anything about the content.

Stuff appearing on my screen is compatible with many different stories explaining it.

The moment you enter into storytelling mode ,you are subject to be wrong.

[Leo Gura]

@zurew Consciousness is not just about appearance, it's about comprehension. Comprehension of what Reality is.