Martin Ball says he's not solipsistic

[Loveeee]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

No you are 😂 Why are you asking "where is it" if you don't believe in space/time?

The problem solipsists have is they grant space/time only when it suits them.

I'm asking "where" because you believe in the possibility of other minds and "other" means separation, distance, space 

[Eskilon]

Just now, Yeah Yeah said:

not true this is based off false logic on the human level I can choose to agree or disagree but you are distinct from myself living seperate lives within a shared reality called Earth

No, the only thing that exists is subjectivity. I exist.

[Nemra]

Just now, Salvijus said:

Just use logic.

Is that a new way to reassure yourself?

Being logical isn't the problem. Not realizing is the problem.

3 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Everything has consciousness.

Separate conscious experiences are imaginary.

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

I'm asking "where" because you believe in the possibility of other minds and "other" means separation, distance, space 

Who believe that? If he doesn't exist....

[Salvijus]

5 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Is that a new way to reassure yourself?

Being logical isn't the problem. Not realizing is the problem.

You can directly realize that everything is conciousness aswell. But logic will do the job for now also. 

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Separate conscious experiences are imaginary.

"Everything has the same conciousness" there, fixed it for you. 

Edited May 26 by Salvijus

[Carl-Richard]

8 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

I'm asking "where" because you believe in the possibility of other minds and "other" means separation, distance, space 

If you don't believe in "other", then why do you concern yourself with whether other people experience something or not? If you don't want to assume space/time, you should not make statements about things concerning space/time. But solipsists want their cake and eat it too.

Edited May 26 by Carl-Richard

[Loveeee]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

If you don't believe in "other", then why are you concerned about whether other people experience something or not? If you don't want to assume space/time, you should not make statements about things concerning space/time. But solipsists want their cake and eat it too.

Where other minds 

[Nemra]

@Salvijus, I'm saying that there hasn't been anything outside existing from your experience.

Find me something that is not in your experience. Get it? If you find it, then it's in your experience.

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Loveeee said:

Where other minds 

You seem very concerned about space/time ideas for supposedly not believing in space/time.

[Salvijus]

3 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Salvijus, I'm saying that there hasn't been anything outside existing from your experience.

Find me something that is not in your experience. Get it? If you find it, then it's in your experience.

I'm not denying that. I'm saying by using simple reasoning you can deduct that experience outside of the scope of yours does exist. 

[Loveeee]

8 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

You seem very concerned about space/time ideas for supposedly not believing in space/time.

Again, I'm asking "where" because you believe in the possibility of other minds and "other" means separation, distance, space 

So, where ? 

[Nemra]

Just now, Salvijus said:

I'm saying by using simple reasoning you can deduct that experience outside of the scope of yours does exist. 

No. It's about the truthfulness of the statements. You can do logic on assumptions, but that doesn't make them true.

[Salvijus]

4 minutes ago, Nemra said:

No. It's about the truthfulness of the statements. You can do logic on assumptions, but that doesn't make them true.

Everything is conciousness is not an assumption for me. Maybe that's an assumption for you, idk. After we accept that premise, everything else follows naturally into place through simple reasoning alone. 

Edited May 26 by Salvijus

[Nemra]

Just now, Salvijus said:

Everything has consciousness is not an assumption for me.

Yeah, that is the problem.

[TruthFreedom]

2 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

You non-solipsists do realize your mind is infinite right ? It's not a finite object like a pen 

How could there be others ? 

 

Even you describing people as non-solipsists shows that you exist, and I exist. 

Why don't you go into a pride of lions with a bag over your head, and try and prove that your experience is all there is.

You will get eaten

[Salvijus]

4 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

You non-solipsists do realize your mind is infinite right ? It's not a finite object like a pen 

How could there be others ? 

 

How can there be many waves in an infinite ocean? 

[Salvijus]

Just now, Nemra said:

Yeah, that is the problem.

"Is conciousness." Fixed it for you. 

[TruthFreedom]

6 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

You non-solipsists do realize your mind is infinite right ? It's not a finite object like a pen 

How could there be others ? 

 

You are acknowledging the existence of "others" by describing people as non-solipsists

[Nemra]

Just now, Salvijus said:

"Is conciousness." Fixed it for you. 

Which follows that separate consciousnesses don't exist outside if it.

[Carl-Richard]

4 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Again, I'm asking "where" because you believe in the possibility of other minds and "other" means separation, distance, space 

So, where ? 

Out of view, just like I can't see the back of my head. But this indeed assumes statements about space/time. If I wanted to not make statements about space/time, I would simply say "consciousness is all there is, end of story" and I would not make statements about whether space/time constructs (other people) have or don't have a certain characteristic.

It's very simple: if you don't believe in space/time, don't make statements about space/time.