Is this the evolution of polyamory? Aubrey Marcus podcast)

[BlessedLion]

17 hours ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

I know, right? Honestly, this was probably one of the most painful parts of my entire psychedelic practice - and still can sometimes hit bad. Facing the ridiculous things I believed, the delusions, the embarrassing ideas that genuinely felt true at the time, was brutal. Deconstructing ideas about God actually felt refreshing in a weird way compared to it, haha. I can definitely see how this kind of insight could help others, too. I know I would’ve loved to have heard it before I started. No pressure, of course, though! 

I guess one way to keep it safer and avoid spilling too much personal stuff is to stick to general points without getting too specific. But the more detailed and emotionally vivid the story is, the more powerful the impact. Alternatively, we could even start a thread on it if others are open to sharing their experiences, too.

That’s a cool idea. 
 

Also, you can see how deeply these drugs have deluded and pushed these 3 over the edge. They are living in a magical thinking reality, not far from Stage Purple fantasizing and magic 

[BlessedLion]

17 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

When you truly know, and it really is a deep knowing, that ur meant to be with someone in this life, you wont do this to them. As a man, you will do everything in ur power to let go of the attachment to shape and form, and to truly be whole within urself. Because thats all this variety thing is really, just more and more shapes, blah blah blah. And the more conscious you become with the person right in front of you, the more you see Everything in her anyway.

Aho. This is wise. I think it’s also important to be man enough to admit when you’re truly ready for that 

[BlessedLion]

14 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

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Genius! 

[BlessedLion]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Stage Green people mix weird New Age spirituality with weird sex practices all the time. This is their bread and butter. Not much new in that. Does it work out? Probably eventually not. Which is why I'm not into the whole New Age movement. This is classic Hippie stuff.

Making love under the container of “I am you, you are me” with a woman who understands that and can move the energy with you is extremely powerful and healing and can lead to awakenings. 
 

There is nothing new age or stage green about it, these practices have been around for thousands of years, using the sexual energy to reach God with a partner is a sacred form of practice. 
 

Does stage green co opt this and create a bunch of bullshit around it that just serves their stage orange desires? Of course!

 

But many mystics (Wilber, Walsh, Yogananda) all emphasize the potency and potential of sexual practices. 
 

Sexual energy = God energy , and God Realized sex is the bomb! Doesn’t mean you can’t have casual sex, but let’s not act like sex is just this thing we do, seperate from God. 

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[BlessedLion]

3 hours ago, Recursoinominado said:

That's what partying with high doses of MDMA looks like, full of "fun and drug-induced love", it is not the same as a relationship. 

Agreed. They are high off their asses. They don’t actually understand God and Life on a baseline level. They always need their drugs 

[BlessedLion]

1 hour ago, Recursoinominado said:

Hey, Vylana, today God told me to tell you to bring me a sandwich and lick my balls real good. Sorry, I don't make the rules, we all have to make sacrifices for the evolution of love! Dr. Marc can confirm.

Basically wraps it up perfectly. Debate over. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, BlessedLion said:

Making love under the container of “I am you, you are me” with a woman who understands that and can move the energy with you is extremely powerful and healing and can lead to awakenings. 

Swinging in with a chonk of truth here.

Unless you have experienced this, again like an awakening or an orgasm, you just cannot conceive of it. You can lay in another's arms, breathing in unison, as one, in meditation. Pneuma. It will induce such spiritual ecstasy so as to shake the foundations of your very being. Better than any orgasm. Making love while embodying that state makes normal lovemaking a joke in comparison, it feels like a mechanical, soulless process. What you create in that space is something larger than the sum of its parts. Again, needs direct experience 

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They are one and the same. I don’t see how you could possibly not mix the two. 

 Agree here. I am confused when Leo tries to inoculate himself against communion/sex and spirituality. And collective consciousness.

I just feel that compartmentalization is robbing him of more truthiness.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I actually loved this breakdown of the podcast - although it might be controversial regarding masculine/feminine roles. I actually align with it regarding letting the masculine / feminine partners sink into their respective roles. Would enjoy others thoughts:

 

[gengar]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Aubrey talks about how he wingmanned Vylana to sleep with other men.

So he's actually walking the talk.

It's not as bad as you guys portray it.

He is doing difficult emotional work, not just maximizing sex.

He could easily have sex with hundreds of girls if that's all he wanted. It takes emotional maturity to do what he's doing.

Having sex with just those two girls is not really that great from a sex POV since he could have way more sex by being single. He could also find hotter girls than those two if that's what motivated him. He clearly values them for much more than sex and he is investing a lot of himself into them.

Don't be too fucking cynical.

In my opinion it's unspiritual to morally justify any type of non-monogamous relationships.
It's all decadent degeneracy which betrays an attachment to the worldly.
If you as a man even think of letting your woman sleep with other men, you've betrayed your masculinity.
The reason it's difficult is not because it's "emotional development" but because deep inside you you know it's wrong.
Society would collapse if we all started to act like this.
 

[Wilhelm44]

18 hours ago, Grateful Dead said:

Very unpleasant to watch. Aubrey is another false prophet hiding his sick ego behind a spiritual facade. I'm almost a little embarrassed that I only realized this a few years ago and fell for his game for a while. But the podcast is at least very revealing; I hope it helps many people realize what a fraud he is. This has nothing to do with spirituality. These are merely selfish needs and fantasies being acted out, which actually block spiritual progress. 

Thats just my opinion and personally I have no problem with someone wanting to live a polyamorous life, but selling it as spiritual in this way disgusts me.

Just yesterday I saw a video about Osho's cult in which a woman talks about how she was abused there when she was 12 years old and how it was justified through spirituality.

 

This last video - some of the children in the Osho ashram, each had sex with up to a 150 adults before they turned 16. And the children were used for child labour. Beginning to think all those allegations against Nithyananda might be true also.

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[gengar]

45 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

This last video - some of the children in the Osho ashram, each had sex with up to a 150 adults before they turned 16. And the children were used for child labour. Beginning to think all those allegations against Nithyananda might be true also.

Wtf. Never watching Osho again. Disgusting

[Wilhelm44]

56 minutes ago, gengar said:

Wtf. Never watching Osho again. Disgusting

Dont throw the baby out with the bath water. Im sure some of his wisdom is super valuable. It just shows how wise Leo was to have an online forum instead of some big group thing out there in the world.

[Wilhelm44]

Can you imagine everyone on this forum living together in an ashram somewhere, Jesus Christ 🤣

[decentralized]

On 5/30/2025 at 8:43 AM, Leo Gura said:

I have fooled myself in the past that a girl was my divine soulmate when she was not even close. And psychedelics make that illusion 5x worse.

Same thing happened to me. I had sex with a man on ketamine and I thought our souls merged. Turns out he has an avoidant attachment style. I got interested in astrology and went heavy on ketamine & kundalini yoga to read his mind. At some point I stopped taking ketamine and smoking weed however I still had a psychotic breakdown. I thought I was telepathically communicating with him during that time. Even though I haven’t touched psychedelics since almost 2 years, I’m still kind of obsessed with him and I’m still thinking that there’s some past life karmic connection with him. A part of my mind is telling me to stop trying to explain this with the new agey. This stuff hurts very badly. 

[RendHeaven]

1 hour ago, decentralized said:

I’m still kind of obsessed with him and I’m still thinking that there’s some past life karmic connection with him.

you made that up

he has no power over you unless you imbue significance into that story

some part of you feels better imagining an inherent connection and destiny, so you're feeding that story to feel more secure

you're stronger than you know

[Recursoinominado]

4 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

This last video - some of the children in the Osho ashram, each had sex with up to a 150 adults before they turned 16. And the children were used for child labour. 

Holy shit

[decentralized]

1 hour ago, RendHeaven said:

you made that up

he has no power over you unless you imbue significance into that story

some part of you feels better imagining an inherent connection and destiny, so you're feeding that story to feel more secure

you're stronger than you know

I know. This is my current challenge in life. I’ve put so much meaning to that story that it’s still hard to distinguish imagination from actuality. However I know I will be able to get over it. Taking time off from psychedelics definitely helps in this situation, they made my obsession worse. 
 

There’s also an existential part of my situation. It might sound funny to you, but I’m quite solipsistic and I believe I created everything - including the love and connection I feel for him - in order to not feel alone. I believe that’s the only reason that God is imagining anything and everything, to forget that she’s the only conscious being in existence. 

[RendHeaven]

5 minutes ago, decentralized said:

There’s also an existential part of my situation. It might sound funny to you, but I’m quite solipsistic and I believe I created everything - including the love and connection I feel for him - in order to not feel alone. I believe that’s the only reason that God is imagining anything and everything, to forget that she’s the only conscious being in existence. 

No, that's exactly right. You/I can't handle the Terror and Majesty of our Infinite Insanity and Aloneness. It's a skull-splitting Consciousness and Love, like an all-consuming lava that shreds and drowns E V E R Y T H I N G indiscriminately into the Abyss. We are too much for Ourselves. 

Out of Mercy and Love for our inability to Love that we are Love; we have constructed this plane of solidity and sanity (for an audience of One) as a brief shelter, where we learn Love in smaller, manageable doses - that one day I may gaze upon myself without recoiling.

You are talking to yourself.

[decentralized]

@RendHeaven does that mean there’s only one observer which is me, decentralized? Am I the only one who has “eyes”? Doesn’t other people have their own experience? I feel like they don’t. Which makes me even more lonelier. But maybe they do, which makes me have infinite number of eyes but can experience only one at a time. That’s what Love and Light community suggests I think. 

[RendHeaven]

3 minutes ago, decentralized said:

does that mean there’s only one observer which is me, decentralized?

there is not even an observer.

there's just INFINITY which is CONSCIOUS of itself, not by using "eyes," but by virtue of existing.

7 minutes ago, decentralized said:

Doesn’t other people have their own experience?

Insofar as Infinite Consciousness holds together the solidity of this delicate plane of life, individual agents do have their own real experience, yes.

But Infinite Consciousness can always liquefy all of this. That's what you call death. When you die, the whole known universe will evaporate with you. But while you're alive, we're real.

Our transience gives us beauty and meaning. Try to see the positives of this.

10 minutes ago, decentralized said:

Which makes me even more lonelier.

I know.