What Does Enlightenment Really Mean, Leo?

[Hojo]

@YimpaIt is true you see it via immense fear. Its kinda like in a dream when things get to scary you dip and wake up. The same thing happens IRL.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

For you, that's the same thing as realizing Sunyata(emptiness)? Or do you think there`s a difference?

There's degrees and facets to all these realizations. And the facets interpenetrate and combine.

Emptiness of the self can be distinct from emptiness of the world. But of course then self and world collapse into a unity too. So the emptiness of self and world is the same emptiness. But you will probably realize them as distinct facets at first.

And then you can realize emptiness to deeper degrees.

No-self has degrees too. There is a degree of no-self that's so deep that you won't even be able to remember your own name. Most enlightened people haven't hit that degree.

Edited May 7 by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

It's very simple defining enlightenment, It is to leave the relative perspective and put yourself completely in the absolute perspective, then you realize that you are the reality, the whole thing not just an aspect of the reality, and you really realize it, not mentally. Really now it's absolutely clear that you are the absolute reality, and anything that appears is just anything that appears. but not only that, you realize what reality is. 

What reality is cannot be defined, but what existence is yes. Existence is relationship, it is change relative to change. Reality includes nonexistence, the unmanifested. Nonexistence doesn't exist, you might say. True, but it is real.

 

Edited May 7 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, shree said:

But realizing emptiness/nothingness is deeper. It reveals not just the illusion of the "you", but the illusory nature of all reality itself

 

If you realize the absolute void that is just beneath everything just mean that you realize that the manifested reality is just movement, relationship,. nothing substantial. But after the void is the real realization, when you realize that the void is the total potential, is full of life because it's unlimited, it's fullness is absolute, is the totality, the infinite alive, the absolute power that explodes by the fact of is absence of limitations.

You are that, nothing else, just limitlessness that is manifesting itself if a center of relationship, in an infinite game of mirrors that always happens because nothing can avoid it, and this game of mirrors has infinite power because it's reflecting itself to the infinite power. It's just inevitable, the only possibility possible. 

Edited May 7 by Breakingthewall

[gettoefl]

Awakening is change of state;

Enlightenment is change of identity from nothing to everything

where nothing is the last awakening.

[Someone here]

 Being "Enlightened" just means you peeked behind the Surface of the world and saw the truth of it all..and now you are acting silly with people cuz you just can't keep "acting " anymore that you are a human being called John or Samantha. 

[Eskilon]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There's degrees and facets to all these realizations. And the facets interpenetrate and combine.

Emptiness of the self can be distinct from emptiness of the world. But of course then self and world collapse into a unity too. So the emptiness of self and world is the same emptiness. But you will probably realize them as distinct facets at first.

And then you can realize emptiness to deeper degrees.

No-self has degrees too. There is a degree of no-self that's so deep that you won't even be able to remember your own name. Most enlightened people haven't hit that degree.

I see. Thanks for the clarification on emptiness. Awakening is such a tricky beast lol.

Even though everything is conciousness, there are degrees to it. I have some good degree of No-self in my baseline consciousness, but it is nowhere near the state where I don't know my own name. So in a sense it's not the ultimate degree of No-self, but a necessary step for the spiritual aspirant.

Edited May 8 by Eskilon