Where Are You All Trying To Go

[Schizophonia]

We're in the bottom of the toilets of the universe, none of this matters.

It's free, in any sense of the word. 

[kbone]

8 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

We're in the bottom of the toilets of the universe, none of this matters.

It's free, in any sense of the word. 

The 'bottom of the toilets of the universe' is a 'unique' perspective to hold in mind; I'll give you that. 🥴 I'd just turn the logic of the location around a bit, if ya know what I mean. But yeah, one's free to think any way they want.

Edited May 8 by kbone

[meta_male]

6 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

We're in the bottom of the toilets of the universe, none of this matters.

Leaving France might open your mind.

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, kbone said:

We must have misunderstood the intent of each others' posts. I recognized a familiar thought pattern and simply thought you were interested in "Breakingthewall". Leaving this interaction at that...

Then, what the cosmic joke is? Explain 

[kbone]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Then, what the cosmic joke is? Explain 

If we're talking about the actual speerchal search, then the cosmic joke is akin to how the cosmic game of hide-n-seek comes to an end. If we're not talking about that topic, and we're just talking about self-helping the mind feel better and betterer, then what was shared prolly comes across as condescending, completely full of 💩, and all the rest. 

During the search, there are times when the mind needs a bit of consolation, maybe even consolidation. That's totally understandable. It can be a slog, and we often take self and its predicament way too seriously. Don't get me wrong; for bodily survival, it's important. But, if we're seeking freedom from the limited aspects of the psychological self, we need to get brutally honest. So, in such a discussion, sometimes things are shared in earnest, that another mind might take in the complete wrong way, as one is unaware of the intent.... especially on a message board like this. I get it. After all, when in the tiger's mouth (i.e., the paradoxes of mind's conclusions becoming more and more acutely pernicious), there's not a lot of consolation that is gonna sweeten the situation.

So, getting the cosmic joke is understanding how the tiger came into being, why it is so painful, how suffering happens, and so on and so forth. Realizing that one was looking for what is looking through the eyes of and prior to the thoughts/memories that constitute the false self you think you are CAN be, welp, quite funny. IT is not an entity, but a realization of a vastness that is prior to/beyond the construct of self.

 

if this sounds like complete and utter nonsense, just let me know. I'm fine with not saying another word. I have zero need, nor any intent to be condescending or to make one another feel bad. That said, feeling down, fearful, catatonic, paralyzed, etc are all common traits of a mind in the death grips of its own making..... prior to the psychological death of self and speerchal rebirth.

[Breakingthewall]

28 minutes ago, kbone said:

IT is not an entity, but a realization of a vastness that is prior to/beyond the construct of self.

I don't see any cosmic joke, Reality is the absence of limits, which gives rise to a play of mirrors of infinite synchronistic perspectives that occur because it's inevitable. No one is trying to play tricks on anyone; there is the unlimited emergence of the total fractal of infinite centers.

But reality is much more than that. That is only the appearance that reality takes, since it is impossible for it not to take infinite appearances, infinite perspectives within infinite perspectives. But what ultimate reality is is not form, but essence, the bottom, the unfathomable, the total potential. Forms are only forms; essence is the unlimited total, and realizing that is no joke; it is absolute freedom and total glory. Just because what you are is limitlessness and this is everything. The form is irrelevant, the substance is everything. If you mean cosmic joke with that then could be, but it's just inevitable, the form get lost in the form because it is the possible way to be a form. 

Edited May 8 by Breakingthewall

[kbone]

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't see any cosmic joke, Reality is the absence of limits, which gives rise to a play of mirrors of infinite synchronistic perspectives that occur because it's inevitable. No one is trying to play tricks on anyone; there is the unlimited emergence of the total fractal of infinite centers.

But reality is much more than that. That is only the appearance that reality takes, since it is impossible for it not to take infinite appearances, infinite perspectives within infinite perspectives. But what ultimate reality is is not form, but essence, the bottom, the unfathomable, the total potential. Forms are only forms; essence is the unlimited total, and realizing that is no joke; it is absolute freedom and total glory.

"Form is formless; formlessness is form."

I get the convos on essence, and how all of the appearing stuff happens within IT as the unfolding. Pretty coolio expressions. Some will try to approach it as a 'more to get/understand' and others will try to approach it as a 'less is best' dealio, and yet others will explain it with the infinite numbers of infinities. It's an interesting state of affairs, all this appearing stuff and the universe carrying on like it is.

Welp, OK, perhaps it's just that the form of this mind, born out of infinite formlessness, is just more wired for humor. Dunno. It's also wired with the glorious, spontaneous freedom to laugh at 'my' self a lot. Such a little rascal, hehe.

Hopefully no harm done here, but IT is what IT is.

[Someone here]

8 hours ago, Salvijus said:

You can go infinitely deep into here and now. 

Watcha mean ?

7 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Here and now implies there and then. Here and now, now and never, here and there.

If there's a here, there's a there. If there's a now, there's a not now. You are nowhere, buddy.

Please point to anything not here and now .

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't see any cosmic joke, Reality is the absence of limits, which gives rise to a play of mirrors of infinite synchronistic perspectives that occur because it's inevitable. No one is trying to play tricks on anyone; there is the unlimited emergence of the total fractal of infinite centers.

But reality is much more than that. That is only the appearance that reality takes, since it is impossible for it not to take infinite appearances, infinite perspectives within infinite perspectives. But what ultimate reality is is not form, but essence, the bottom, the unfathomable, the total potential. Forms are only forms; essence is the unlimited total, and realizing that is no joke; it is absolute freedom and total glory. Just because what you are is limitlessness and this is everything. The form is irrelevant, the substance is everything. If you mean cosmic joke with that then could be, but it's just inevitable, the form get lost in the form because it is the possible way to be a form. 

I think you're getting somewhere my friend 

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

Please point to anything not here and now .

If a car is passing by and I point to it, at what point is that car exactly where I pointed to it at. So, a car driving by cannot be here and now because those are positions; the car is driving. If I'm talking and I'm saying "i am going to the store", at what point was that said. Those words took about 3-4secs to say linearly; where was the here and now. You're implying when you say here and now that here and now moves in time. When you're dreaming at night, it all happens, going to the beach and swimming, timelessly not here and now. You slept for 8hrs, here and now?

[Someone here]

19 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

If a car is passing by and I point to it, at what point is that car exactly where I pointed to it at. So, a car driving by cannot be here and now because those are positions; the car is driving. If I'm talking and I'm saying "i am going to the store", at what point was that said. Those words took about 3-4secs to say linearly; where was the here and now. You're implying when you say here and now that here and now moves in time. When you're dreaming at night, it all happens, going to the beach and swimming, timelessly not here and now. You slept for 8hrs, here and now?

The entirety of that is happening here and now ..in your imagination.  

[Princess Arabia]

8 hours ago, ExploringReality said:

If there’s truly nothing going on, why the need to explain it?

I'm just quoting this but it goes for everything you've said about my discussing and communicating on a forum with a like-minded individual that discusses reality and existential matters. 

You kept saying to me why type, why speak, why keep explaining while you're asking me questions and responding to my notions while I'm responding to yours. I wasn't explaining as much as I was just holding a conversation. 

Leo has said in one of his videos and I don't have to go find it because I'm sure you've heard him say, "you have not moved a day in your life, you have been sitting here forever". Did you ever say to Leo, then why the need to explain it, why are you talking, why say anything and that the Absolute doesn't need any reminders. No, you watch him blabber for 2-3hrs and then revere, worship and idolize him. When I mention something of the sort for 5-10mins I'm being told to be quiet and that there's no need to talk on and on if nothing is happening (which you misinterpreted BTW). 

I've said many things in my talking that's been said by Leo. Not too long ago I've seen where he commented to someone that this is nothing. He also says youre dreaming and imagining things. When I speak in such manner, you want to put me down and tell je if that's the case why talk or whatever insults you want to throw. I'm a very observant person. I see a lot. I see that it all depends on the idea one has of a person, that matters how what they say is accepted or interpreted. My guess is, with you, you see me as someone without a Masters or a degree to speak on these matters. I'm not a guru or teacher so I have no authority to speak on these matters with such authority, I don't have a YT channel or a forum. I've never done psychedelics and I'm not intelligent enough and able to speak to a camera for 3hrs straight in an intellectual manner and I'm not an awakened or enlightened being, so please don't speak on these matters like you know anything to me because I've been trained by the experts. That's my take. Take it or leave it.

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

The entirety of that is happening here and now ..in your imagination.  

When you dissect those words "here and now", and see them for their meanings, they are being misapplied and out of context. It's fine if you like those words because it really doesn't matter in the end. What I use is timeless but I can't tell you which word to use as it's your prerogative. For me, I'm able to understand other things better when I apply words in their right contexts when trying to understand or explain. That's all folks. 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

I'm not doing any of the "work" at all, not even meditation which I used to be doing back in the days, for at least 1 hour a day. Nor do I have any intention at all to take any psychoactive drugs, or do any contemplating, deconstructing or whatever. I did watch a big chunk if the videos tho, but ultimately right now I am embodying a human, so for all intents and purposes I might as well be a human, and therefore act and think like one. Though I do acknowledge that the core ideas of the stuff that's being claimed here is probably true with high probability, seeing as I have never managed to find any satisfying counter arguments against them, which of course is impossible due to their incredible depth

I don't think it's really even possible to have a goal in spirituality

[Someone here]

@Princess Arabia timelessness is good word as well. Im not attached to the expression "here &now ". Use whatever wording you enjoy as long as you grasp what I mean .

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

I'm not doing any of the "work" at all, not even meditation which I used to be doing back in the days, for at least 1 hour a day. Nor do I have any intention at all to take any psychoactive drugs, or do any contemplating, deconstructing or whatever. I did watch a big chunk if the videos tho, but ultimately right now I am embodying a human, so for all intents and purposes I might as well be a human, and therefore act and think like one. Though I do acknowledge that the core ideas of the stuff that's being claimed here is probably true with high probability, seeing as I have never managed to find any satisfying counter arguments against them, which of course is impossible due to their incredible depth

I don't think it's really even possible to have a goal in spirituality

I like that in bold. Maybe not an end goal. People believe enlightenment is the end goal, but that's a mistake and misunderstanding, in my pov.

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Princess Arabia timelessness is good word as well. Im not attached to the expression "here &now ". Use whatever wording you enjoy as long as you grasp what I mean .

Yes, I think I know what you're trying to say. For me it's that when people hear these terms they start to think they need to be here and now. Present, in the now. It can't be done because it's timeless and there's nothing to do to be here and now because there's no such "real thing. One cannot be not here and now if it's timeless. It just makes for better understanding for me. Here and now just seems like a fixed point that one can arrive at. Anyway, I do understand what you mean.

Edited Thursday at 05:32 PM by Princess Arabia

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

29 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I like that in bold. Maybe not an end goal. People believe enlightenment is the end goal, but that's a mistake and misunderstanding, in my pov.

Yeah, well. People's definition of what enlightement actually means and entails varies wildly to begin with.

There are also many schools of thinking when it comes to spirituality, so to speak, I would dare to guess, based on your posts, that you took something from Leo but mostly lean towards neo advainta's no self kind kind of thing, or maybe both in equal degree, I don't know.

Anyway, because of the deeply personal and subjective nature of this topic, it is very difficult to set goals.

Also I notice that the kind of people interested in these topics are, in a very broad and crude terms, either deeply introverted and/or emotional thinkers, as opposed to being a combination of extroverted and/or analytical thinker.

If you ever so much as heard of these topics, chances are you tend to spend large stretches of time alone, or you think more emotionally and intuitivelly, or both. But if you are an analytical logical extrovert, based on my experience they'd just brush all this stuff off and not even even consider it, dismissing it entirely, and just focus pretty much on survival matters. LOL

[Max1993]

@Princess Arabia For me, life is starting to feel like winning the lottery. The less I think, the deeper I feel. A billion dollars cannot buy what Leo has already gifted me. Christ consciousness IS the kingdom of heaven. You can live off of your excitement and fun. Thanks to Leo I have a following on TikTok, I get paid to talk, I get paid for views. I work a part time sales job and I love it too. I am in heaven, and it keeps getting better. And one more thing, I love everyone in this forum, deeply. Only because I see my Godhood in You. 

Being Leo's protégé for years, a decade, is what it took...

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Max1993 said:

@Princess Arabia For me, life is starting to feel like winning the lottery. The less I think, the deeper I feel. A billion dollars cannot buy what Leo has already gifted me. Christ consciousness IS the kingdom of heaven. You can live off of your excitement and fun. Thanks to Leo I have a following on TikTok, I get paid to talk, I get paid for views. I work a part time sales job and I love it too. I am in heaven, and it keeps getting better. And one more thing, I love everyone in this forum, deeply. Only because I see my Godhood in You. 

Being Leo's protégé for years, a decade, is what it took...

I'm not sure if you thought I was bashing Leo or not or speaking negatively. I said blabber for 2-3hrs lovingly. His channel was where I started first and will forever be grateful to him and what he has taught me. It has opened the doors for many things I've learnt on the path. I've shared his channel many times in the past and is an avid admirer. I've just branched out on my own after 5yrs of all the information I've acquired and now, I'm my own protege who still respects everyone's work and teachings on the subject of spirituality. I'm not stuck anywhere and I'm not attached to any particular beliefs even if I have my own. They are just that, beliefs and stories as I've realized there's nothing but what is the case.